After the official announcement of MOVE by Sony and the results of NPD, I had to see what was on Aaron Greenberg’s mind. So I asked him about Sony’s new MOVE system, what pushed 360 sales for February and the thoughts of seeing God Of War 3 quality graphics on the 360. Here’s his response:
TBb: What do you think of Sony’s MOVE system in comparison to Natal?
AG: Xbox 360 has a strong history of innovation. Halo, Xbox LIVE and instant-on 1080p HD. With each of these, we had our sights set on the future – and it paid off for us, the industry and Xbox 360 owners. We are doing it again with “Project Natal” on Xbox 360. We believe controller-free experiences are the future of gaming and entertainment. Only “Project Natal” makes YOU the controller, putting you in the middle of the action and in complete control. Jump and your Avatar jumps. Speak and characters respond. Combined with Xbox LIVE, “Project Natal” will transform how you connect with your friends, family and entertainment – as only Xbox 360 can do.
TBb: What do you think caused the sales jump for Xbox 360 in February?
AG: I think it was a combination of our leading portfolio of exclusive blockbuster games, industry leading online experiences over Xbox LIVE and high anticipation for the release of “Project Natal” for Xbox 360. What makes us special is that we are doing all of this at a great value, starting at just $199. As you know, consumers vote with their dollars and these results are further proof that this will be the biggest year in Xbox history.
TBb: Do you think games like God Of War 3 can be done on the 360?
AG: We have proved over the years, that all games can be realized on Xbox 360. Just look at titles like Final Fantasy XIII, Forza Motorsport 3, Gears 2, and Modern Warfare 2 on Xbox 360? These games and our leading online experiences demonstrate that Xbox 360 is the most powerful games and entertainment console in the market today.
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It doesn’t convince me at all. I don’t know. Sony innovated the motion like experience during the damn eyetoy. That’s pretty much all natal is from my perspective. I don’t know will I purchase it? Ofcourse why not. Makes my game room even better. lol
So true. I was wondering when someone would point out that Natal is just a PS eyetoy from the PS2. That’s all it is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Eye http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Natal Here you go guys. Read up so that you are up to date with the available information that is on the internet. You will find that Natal is LIGHT YEARS more advanced. The only similarity is that they both are a “type” of camera. Natal can do everything that the Eyetoy can do, but the Eyetoy CANNOT do as many things that NATAL can do. This is because the Natal Hardware is by far more advanced than the EyeToy. The only thing Eyetoy is similar to is MS’s Live camera as seen on the following link. http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/xbox-360-live-vision/10078675.aspx?path=e9954324761a9c649cd79dd52497f3b8en02 Glad I could help you guys with seeing the BIG differences between the two.
Right now, Move and Natal are both looking kinda iffy, except that Move did impress me with the SOCOM 4 demonstration. If Natal/Valve can pull off a mainstay game like Move did with SOCOM 4, I’ll be impressed; and if they pull if off well, I’ll be equally impressed with both motion concepts.
lol, i wouldn’t hold my breath if i were you.lol valve aren’t exactly early adopters of new technologies, and you CERTAINLY will NOT be seeing a NATAL controlled FPS from valve like HL2EP3, TF3, CS2, or portal2 from valve anytime soon, if ever.
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/61854 I like Valve and with them supporting the tech something down the road should be out of the realm of promise. On the Natal… who knows but well within the works.
yeah valve could probably do something interesting with portal and a motion control camera… who knows
” Don’t contradict me if you have nothing to contradict. You’d have to be completely ignorant to gaming to not know that Natal games will be better than Eyetoy games.” ok Nostradamus,lol, then he gets mad when ppl call him a fanboy.
I’m sure the X360 is a powerful machine and games like Alan Wake with custom engines are proving that. But come on now, saying citing FFXIII with it’s corners cut port is not helping his argument. Also could the guy sound like more a damn PR machine. He’s spitting catch phrases at a crazy level. Halo Reach, Alan Wake and maybe even Fable 3 will be graphical and gameplay highlights for the 360 this year. But on the graphical front I feel MS could be pushing much much further. Looking at games like Metro and Alan Wake shows me what a custom built engine can do that actually pushes a system. MS needs to shut up and show everyone what the hell they can do, cuse Sony is proving the PS3′s technical muscle and it’s not just the hardware but amazing software developers USING that hardware to the best it can do. The same can’t be said for a lot of MS’s first parties.
I agree with your comment. I believe Sony is pushing more show then talk. We will see when the time comes. All these guys ever do is talk but whatever. BFBC2 for me peace.
That is how it works. It is a company just like every other company on the planet that is in competition. Sony is no different with their talk. Neither of these companies have to prove anything in what they say. The products and reaction from consumers says it all. They are running their buisness like they are supposed to. Simple as that.
@MikeT I agree that the 360 could be pushed more. But to say “Halo Reach, Alan Wake and maybe even Fable 3 will be graphical and gameplay highlights for the 360 this year. But on the graphical front I feel MS could be pushing much much further”? I put Alan Wake’s graphics up against ANY PS3 exclusive. Mass Effect 2 I feel is still the best looking console game this gen. I still think Gears 2 is an absolutely beautiful game, especially *******SPOILER******* the inside of the Giant Worm. I think Sony allows their loyalist fans to HYPE their games to an unreachable standard that it’s almost becoming so loud that people start to think that nothing on the 360 is as good looking as that which is on the PS3. Now MS ofcourse doesn’t have as many 1st parties, and the 1st parties they do have are really just niche developers making niche games ie. TURN 10 with only Forza games or Lion Head with only Fable or Rare with….well kid games lately. MS rely’s on 3rd party support and that support “usually” is on a tight deadline to get games out which when released look good, but are not polished enough to compete with Sony’s 1st parties as they have had many years in development to get that nice polish. So I don’t think it’s Microsoft fault that the 360 hasn’t been pushed enough per say, but rather they want to get 3rd party developers to pump out games as quickly as possible which results in less time to polish graphics.
I think even among us “graphic whores” we have different distinctions on what makes graphics. Technically I think Sony has the upper hand. Creatively I think 360′s titles Mass Effect, Gears and are more brilliant and beautiful than Killzone’s grey and Resistances’ Browns. Uncharted to me was like the best of both worlds, but there other graphical facets it appears developers can play in. Alan Wake showcases some great lighting, as does GOWIII, but from what I’ve seen Alan Wake really showcases it well. Everything from particle effects to the amount of action on screen can be taken into account with graphics.
I don’t think you can blame MS for Square Enix port issues of FFXIII. There are way too many multiplatform titles on the Xbox 360 that shame PS3 versions. So it’s pretty obvious that these limitations are more to do with what developers are focusing on. Also I know it sounds good to say that Natal is just the Eyetoy. It’s not. They are not even in the same league. If you can turn the lights off, use the Eyetoy, if it can recognize your voice, scan your body. Then yeah you’d be right. Except Eyetoy never, and doesn’t do that…On any level. Its like saying your home girl from up the block is Tyra Banks cause they both have big foreheads. You don’t sound right. Besides being a camera like ones that you can buy for a computer. I don’t see the similarities. Arron is a solid dude. Its not like he’s tripping by what he’s saying about the Xbox 360. Its only now that the PS3 is showing it can compete, and win in areas at times. At the same time you can’t take away the fact that the Xbox 360 has had nothing, but dope consistent gaming since this gen started. You can’t hate, forget, or downplay that. The system never had to “catch up”. The PS3 did. If not then the February NPD numbers should show a system in decline. A couple of nice graphical games from Sony don’t make a generation of gaming up. It’s just nice to know they can push the PS3 giving it titles that make it a good system. “What you eat, don’t make me shit” Be a gamer…Not a hater
If the PS Move is a Wii rip off then Natal is a PS Eyetoy rip off. EDIT: Ahhhh, the sales argument.
“If the PS Move is a Wii rip off then Natal is a PS Eyetoy rip off.” - That is a comment of the mis-informed. PS Move uses the exact technology as the Wii-mote. A camera tracks the controller. Natal tracks the person. Different technology. Please READ the links I provided above so that you can educate yourself the differences. This way you won’t sound like a mis-informed fanboy. You can thank me later.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gOVj_I5npA Apology accepted.
You comment is off topic in this thread, but because you are young, I can understand how you can get confused and respond to the wrong post. As stated below, maybe you should re-watch that video and read what I had written to you below. Your pathetic link doesn’t debunk that the Sony MOVE is not a clear rip-off of the Wii. It also doesn’t counter the FACT that NATAL is a different type of Technology than the Eyetoy. Your link is a pathetic attempt at reaching for straws. Which is understandable as it is a classic Sony Fanboy Trait.
@chozinwon – if you really think the Natal is the same as the Eye Toy(according to that video) you need to do some more research.
@Torrence Davis No, Natal is not EXACTLY the same as the Eyetoy but it’s the same principle, controller-less gaming where YOU are the controller. All I’m saying is that Natal is not innovative like it’s being made out to be.
@CHOZINWON Please define what NATAL would have to do in order to be “innovative” in your eyes. I agree that Natal uses the same principle as the Eyetoy. There is no doubt about that. But to say that Natal is not innovative when compared to the Eyetoy is absurd. I posted some details above…just waiting for Torrence to approve the links. He takes forever to do it. As for your “Apology accepted.” comment…post an acceptable argument that counters mine, then I would be more than happy to apologize. You saying “No, Natal is not EXACTLY the same as the Eyetoy” is already admitting that you posting that video is not a valid rebuttal to help your argument of “Natal is a PS Eyetoy rip off.” The information is out there that clearly shows the HUGE differences in technology between the 2 types of motion capturing peripherals. mtmind2 below pasted some great info. Makes for a good quick read. Maybe that is what I should do. That way I won’t have to wait for the Mods to approve my links to the information.
Natal does seem interesting but his answer on the GOW3 graphic question was not answered very well. Gears 2 is been the top for far to long as for graphics on the 360, FFxiii is better graphically on the PS3 and MW2 graphics is pretty much identical on the PS3. He should of just promoted Halo Reach, Alan Wake, and Fable 3.
Natal is not innovative. I played controller free games where YOU are the controller 8 years ago on the PS2.
What games were you playing on the PS2 8 years ago that didn’t use a controller but rather the movements of your own body.
Eyetoy: Play. Apology accepted, again.
Please tell me you actually watched that and just didn’t post it because of it’s title. You did notice that there were shots taken from PS3 right? And I don’t recall seeing those applications for the PS2 made available to the public. What game exactly were they that was showing the Eyetoy on the PS2 and when were those games released?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzNJwk9Z4ds
Wonder how he’ll spin that?
Interesting video. I especially like that FACT that it’s in 2D. Which is what the links I posted above states that the Eyetoy can do. Whereas NATAL handles 3D. See the difference. I hope so cause you guys are making fools of yourselves.
“What games were you playing on the PS2 8 years ago that didn’t use a controller but rather the movements of your own body.” That was your question and we answered it with proof and you can’t say anything so you move the debate to 2D vs. 3D on a whim because you were proven wrong. We made a fool of you, not ourselves.
Yes Natal does use different technology to the PS2 eye toy. it can work with depth and the tracking of body parts is better. but so is the PS move, it doesnt use an infrared camera, it uses motion tracking with the orb, it can rotation at all angles and not just when pointed at the tv. both these products are just updates on what we’ve already seen. the TV has been around 70 years and the technology has changed dramatically, but you still watch the same boring shit. you guys just need to stop the fanboy mentality cause you just end up embarrasing yoursevles.
Ok so the PS2 could do motion control in 2D. Yet the original comment made was “Natal is not innovative. I played controller free games where YOU are the controller 8 years ago on the PS2.” Are you saying that Natal being able to capture 48 points on you body, with up to 5 people at a time in true 3D is the same as a 2D camera that can only support 1 person…. I think not. My point still stands that NATAL is NOT the same as Eyetoy and is by far more innovative than Eyetoy.
My 2 cents… Natal is NOT the same as EyeToy. Anyone saying it’s *exactly* the same is WRONG, since the addition of the InfraRed camera to measure depth, adds an extra dimension to Natal that EyeToy lacked (to that degree). Hence Natal can do everything the EyeToy/PSEye can, but the PSEye cannot do everything that Natal can. The predecessor to the Natal tech is the ZCam (or Z camera) from 3DV systems (a company MS bought last year), which also used an InfraRed camera to add depth perception to the webcam. In fact, Richard Marks, the creator of the EyeToy, played around with an early prototype of 3DV’s Z camera way back in 2004, and was clearly aware of how it enabled them to detect 3D motion in a way which was impossible to achieve with just a webcam alone. Hence to those still claiming Natal is nothing more but an EyeToy, watch and listen to the CREATOR of the EyeToy going on and on about how depth via InfraRed is such an advancement over the EyeToy and the possibilities it offers for gaming. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYHr0I-iFHE So am I to believe that the EyeToy’s creator Richard Marks is wrong? That he doesn’t know what he’s talkng about and that all the doubters are right? I think not. Am I to believe the numerous devs working with Natal are all wrong and the doubters are right? Again, I think not.
Technology builds upon the past, and hence just as the PSMove has taken the Wiimote concept and enhanced it for greater speed and accuracy, Natal has taken the EyeToy concept and enhanced it by adding proper depth perception, making it 3D compared to the 2D of EyeToy and PSEye (where depth is inferred by size). Hence overall, I do feel Natal is a greater step over EyeToy/PSEye than PSMove is over the Wiimote with Motion Plus, but I’m still excited by the potential of BOTH for gaming. (Ok, not so much 2 cents, more like a dollar 
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Also, I have to add that the predecessor to Sony’s Sixaxis was created by Microsoft for the PC way back in 1998 (yes, 11-12 YEARS ago!!!), with a motion sensing gaming controller called the Microsoft Sidewinder Freestyle Pro. Here’s a preview of Microsoft’s controller from 1998; http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/microsoft_tilt_p/ And to any sensitive readers out there, I’m not attacking Sony here or waving the flag of support for Microsoft, I’m just emphasizing my point that technology builds upon the past. And so not wanting to leave Nintendo out of it, the Wiimote concept was designed by a company called Gyration (who pitched the gaming controller idea to Nintendo, and the rest is history), where it was based upon technology used for their motion sensing mice for the PC.
Not no 8 years ago but….. EyeToy: Kinetic (5 years ago) EyeToy: Groove (6 years ago)
LMFAO! Aaron clearly had nothing to really say: –What do you think caused the sales jump for Xbox 360 in February? “and high anticipation for the release of “Project Natal”
*Reads Article* Good Stuff *Reads comments* ….0_o *leaves laughing*
reads article, good stuff? lol
The real answers: 1. I feel Natal will either be a great failure or epic success. To date there has been nothing that has compelled me that it will be the later. I think something like Natal would naturally evolve out of 3D gaming – this idea will be revisited by Sony. 2. It is a residual Mass Effect…effect. A front runner for game of the year will move mass units. There’s also the PS3 shortage. 3. No, not as of yet. When it does happen, Killzone 4 will be released and heralded as the best graphics since Uncharted 3.
What do you think caused the sales jump for Xbox 360 in February? “cough ps3 shortages cough cough”
“cough provide proof cough cough” The PS3 sold 272,000 in Jan and then 362,000 in Feb. Using the shortage or my Best Buy(PUT IN MY ZIP CODE) really doesn’t hold up much since they increased from month to month in sales. Is that the reason why Bioshock 2(360) was number 1 but the PS3 version was no where to be found? Is that the excuse for Mag since it was released at the end of January it again is no where to be found? How about that Dante’s Inferno.
The PS3 sold 272,000 in Jan and then 362,000 in Feb. Worldwide figuers PS3 – 742,358 Xbox 360 – 614,696 I love how you think america is the only gaming market in the world. And yer im suprised that bioshock didnt sell as well as it should have, and i never expected mag to be a big seller. but honestly do you really think anyone would buy dante’s inferno on the ps3 when GOW is out the month after??
I love how I was on topic with his reply and was specific to NPD numbers. Please give me a break about your “world wide break down numbers” You and no one else has a break down of the numbers known worldwide.
typical pr stuff… nothing surprising
“These games and our leading online experiences demonstrate that Xbox 360 is the most powerful games and entertainment console in the market today.” poor delusional guy, i almost feel sorry for him and all the blind xbots that accept his lies.lol it seems to be too powerful for it’s own good, RROD.lol he didn’t answer any of the questions, just spouted out some incoherant BS about FF13 being proof of 360′s capabilities.lol and halo being innovative.lmao i.e. all MS consider being innovative is SALES. in feburary 360 sold as many as they did simply because of mass effect 2 NOT PROJECT FAILTAL. you see, 360 version ME2 players know it’s a long game, so the likelyhood of getting a RROD before completing the game is quite high, so they buy a 2nd or perhaps 3rd 360 as backups.lol
since he gets paid… do you really expect different?
of course not, but at the same time you don’t make yourself look like a dumbass.lol according to him they’re innovative because netflix’s paid subscribers that own a 360 can stream 1080p vids on their $50/year online service. he forgot to also mention that if you have a “golden” account you can innovatively get to use facebook and twitter.lmao
In the mentioning of “instant-on 1080p HD” I believe he was referring to the Zune Marketplace and not Netflix. You also do not need a “golden account” to use the Zune Marketplace.
even if it wasn’t netflix, streaming 1080p vid from the net is nothing innovative.
yeah he wasn’t talking about netflix
lol so basicly he beat around the bush with every answer and will spout sales bs at the end of the month. anyways hopefully i will get to get on the warzone this weak i had to reformat my pc because vista is a piece of fucken shit, but im still not sure if i will be able to make it, the computer guy is having a cluster fuck of problems.
if sony’s motion controller sees very huge adoption by game devs and lots of successful wii/ps3 cross platform games, then rest assured MS will INNOVATIVELY come up with a similar controller.lol
jmd, You’ll never see Mario games on the PS3, they are the only games that sell through the roof for the Wii, and SONY can have Active, Guitar something, or dance something. SONY Move will struggle because those fools thing the hardcore wants that motion **** & we dont!
So otherzinc, you would also be in agreeance that us hardcore gamers do not want Natal as well. Right? I sure don’t want either.
did greenberg anwswer any of those questions. i was like wtf
he pulled a dave chappelle.lol remember this skit? Prosecutor: You know, he’s been accused of this before. Dave Chappelle: So? Some people say that cucumbers taste better pickled. Prosecutor: What? Dave Chappelle: Huh? Prosecutor: What? Dave Chappelle: Huh? http://chappellefans.blogspot.com/2008/07/series-2-celebrity-trial-jury-selection.html
OK I COME HOME FROM WORK AND I SEE THIS COMMENT SECTION GOING CRAZY WHAT DID HE SAY THAT HAS PPL SO UP IN ARMS?
He provided his opinion to the questions he was asked.
Good questions tor but the answers are textbook corporate Answers
He works for Microsoft. What type of response do you expect?
PS Move uses the camera, Wii uses Bluetooth. The only ripoff I’m seeing is the nunchuck that they added. The MOVE will be several hundred times more accurate than the Wii mote. The Z-cam(Natal) uses a camera which can see in 3D. You guys do know what the Z in Z-cam is for right? So while it’s based on an idea revolutionized by Sony, it’s better. It’s not just an Eye Toy and the games will be so far beyond what the Eye Toy can do it’s not even worth arguing. Stop debating over the technology and who’s ripping off who. We wouldn’t have LCD tv’s today if it were for the b&w tv’s created years ago. It’s called progression.
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“That’s a fanboy statement Torrence. It’s because of outbursts like that – you’re often labeled an XBot. It occurs to me that you don’t really know how or why Natal is better, even though you’re repeating Greenberg’s guff.” I do know why Natal is better. It all has to do with the use of the Z-cam and being able to see objects in REAL 3D space. I don’t know why you think my statement was fanboyish when it was true. How many 3rd parties used the Eyetoy? How many will be using Natal? Are you saying the EyeToy is better? What are you saying? How come you didn’t comment on what I said about Move in comparison to the Wii mote? Because anything good I say about Sony isn’t worth talking about but anything I say good about Microsoft is bad and you want to burn me at the stake like so many other fanboys? Answer that question. You completely ignored EVERYTHING I said about Move and went straight on to Natal. YES, I do know why it’s better. I’ve had first hand experience with the Z-Cam back in 2007. I’ve also used the EyeToy. Don’t contradict me if you have nothing to contradict. You’d have to be completely ignorant to gaming to not know that Natal games will be better than Eyetoy games. “it occurs to me that you don’t really know how or why Natal is better, even though you’re repeating Greenberg’s guff. ” Oh it does? Oh I don’t know why it’s better? REad my statements above. I really think you are looking to pick an argument with me. So from this point on, I’ll stop responding to your bullshit baiting.
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So sayeth the LORD! lol
“Two different approaches to get a similar effect.” -LordVon I have to agree with LordVon on that one. The technology involved in Natal is “better” imo but the advantages might be negligible at best. In the end it does all come down to the developers and the applications they create (games/engines). One thing we need to acknowledge that clearly gives Natal an advantage of the stand alone eye toy is that Natal operates way better in poorer lighting… Something that was some what of an issue with the eye toy.
I wouldnt put it past MS to bring out some wiggle sticks themselves in the future honestly….
LMFAO @ OOG Then it would truly be a battle for superior….Glow sticks? Hmm what if someone took move and tried to use it in Natal….lol. I’m just asking for a fail ain’t I.
whoever makes one that turns into a light saber win imo… 1 wiggle stick to rule them all….my precioussss lol
“How many 3rd parties used the Eyetoy? How many will be using Natal?” ” Don’t contradict me if you have nothing to contradict. You’d have to be completely ignorant to gaming to not know that Natal games will be better than Eyetoy games.” ok Nostradamus,lol, then he gets mad when ppl call him a fanboy.
good stuff torrence!
I think it was in comic-con ’94 or ’95 is when they debuted virtual reality. there was this ring that you had step in and you wore a helmet with a view screen directly over your eyes with a glove or some kind of trigger gun device. I really can’t remember. But I do remember that the first person that got to play with it was jean claude van dam and then his kid and wife. It truly looked like some space age shit! Yeah I just checked. It was in 1994. But when you go in and try the machine you controlled a guy who had to shoot like a phoenix or some type bird down. Sure the freaking graphics were like directX ver. 1.0 quality, but the experience was awesome. It made you think: I could truly masturbate or have some kind of fake sex with this product. I remember seeing this thing and could not stop thinking that society will become like it was in the freaking movie called “The Lawnmower Man” Where the fuck is THAT VR or Virtual Reality experience?!!!! Does anyone use the term VR anymore?!!! Over here in San Diego, they used have a VR center and you played this crazy mech game and it cost like 20 or 30 bucks. After about 2 hours of researching I finally found the name of the place. I had a hard time, because the place is no longer there. The name of the game they played was called BattleTech. http://www.virtualworld.com/ Virtual World 7510 Hazard Center Dr. (in Hazard Center next to Trophy’s) San Diego, CA 92108 Tel: (619) 294-9200 From the looks of the place, it looks like I missed out on some fun shit. I could never convince my friends to go with me, because they always thought it was too nerdy and to expensive to play a video game. But my point is; Where in the fuck is the virtualy reality stuff now. We should be using glasses made of OLEDs instead of old school VR helmets and we should be wearing pressure suits like the guy in “The Lawnmower Man” and having free virtual holographic sex in a holoPod, just like that movie. Fuck this dildo shit that Sony is coming out with. We should be in holopods “EXPERIENCING” concerts. not Listening to concerts on our Ipod. We should be “EXPERIENCING” GTA the Experience in our Holopod, and not PLAYING GTA the game on our Ipods! BRING BACK VIRTUAL REALITY!
One more thing: VirtuaBoy made by nintendo years ago, is NOT virtual reality. Red wireframes don’t count.
Yeah now that’s something i can shake my head in agreement with. I never got the chance to play with that or experience that but im with you bring on the VR!
that statemtment doesnt answer the question at all. Gears has been eclipsed on PS3 by killzone 2. MS said they had a comparable visual FPS and has failed to produce by there own first party studious. FF13 features higher compression less fidelity and multiple discs on the 360 and most multi console owners will lean to the PS3 version for the best version, judging from the sales they speak for themselves. He preety much danced from answering the question, because i have yet to see anything on 360 thats on par with GOW3s theatrical appearance. I cant believe he brought up forza 3 when it got so much flack for its visual lacking, although its great physics system is why it got the okay.