On this episode we all shared our opinions on GOW3. Most of us have played the demo and HHG has seen an even newer build that left him and Ngai Croal speechless. I was left underwhelmed after playing the almost year old demo but HHG thinks it’s Sony’s best exclusive yet. Also on this show:
Bayonetta
Darksiders
CES
Adult Entertainment Expo
NPD
Jon Shaw and HHG get into a huge argument over Sony’s Home
Music:
DangerDoom
“Sofa King”
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the argument with hiphop and jon was stupid, jon made no sense. jon goes into a “turrets-like” state about how people shouldn’t complain about the pricing of the games in MS’ new gaming-room thing, going on about people need to get jobs, and shouting out that home sucks with no good reason. most of those games can be legally downloaded for FREE on the net already, and the pricing model MS has for it is ridiculous.
but other than that, it was a good warzone, tor was on a rampage.lol good fun…
EDIT: oh, and i was surprised that no-one said anything to hiphop about his video article, i guess they only talk tough in the comments section.
As usual, you know the Trolls don’t talk, they only type.
God of War 3 is going to do just fine in terms of sales , As for the actual game being any good well that’s a no brainer . My question is this to all you guys on this staff , Why is it that a game is being judged on it’s sales and I am not sayin that you guys do it but almost every other site does it.
Tell me this back in the days were games like phantasy star 3 and out run and Space Harrier Shnobi, For the mastersystem and Karnov , Rygar, Gunsmoke, Hogans Alley for the 8bit Nes all these games were amazing games and it never mattered wheather or not it sold well or not , at least to all us gamers , So why does all this matter now, I mean is it gonna really going to change or put a stop to the video game industry of course not . It would honestly be really refreshing if a website to start having conversations or articles on past random classics and have walkthrue’s and discussions on the history of the games like dev wise and how the ideas came about to come up with a certain gsm and so forth for example give me a modern day rating on a game like sega rally for the Saturn and tell me how it stacks up to dirt from codemasters and of course not graphicaly side by side but by time . I’m sorry about ranting guys but you guys seem to give a shit about your fans and answer back to us mostly unlike those other bigger sites that don’t give a crap but I think if you do your homework ln all these sites they have all dropped the ball big time in terms going over a game and you guys have a golden opputunity to cash in on these guys. They all remind me of a cockey black belt karate student who seems to have forgotten their basic forms that got them their (actual thurough game reviews) and they disrespect their art form ( the very substance that really matters about a game FunFactor ) get on it guys and forgive me for the type’os it’s late and texting from my I phone , piece by the way great warzone once again and hopefully anothergreat year for the bitbag and crew , I’m out..
Completely agreed. I understand that games need to sell to at least cover the cost of the game but other than that it should be unimportant non-factor on the game.
The only thing i would be worried about with rating classic games to other more current games is that some games capitalize on the gameplay of said classic games which could make the comparisons or ratings slightly biased. At least i think. Other than that good idea.
Wow HHG summed up Dark Void very well. “Jack of all trades master of none”.
If the voice actor is good and variable i see no reason why he shouldn’t continue. Is he everywhere (nolan north) yeah. Now look at Nolan Norths resume and tell me if you even KNEW that was him. The dude is talented.
WOW Torrence i CANNOT you believe you debated SHAZ/Eric on the NAS issue. Accessing NAS even SANs from outside the local Network has been happening for a while now… You should have let him finish his point, i think.
Braynbasher please get a clue, E3 showcase plenty of games that don’t come out that year or even the next year. Brayn you clearly don’t know what your talking about with technology. Technology has always been about pushing and advancement. Wake up, where were you when the Intel/AMD war was at full throttle last decade? Dude that whole segment minus the random 42″ 1080p sentence was pure ignorance. Understand what you are ranting about before you rant you might save some breath…
Tor where did you get the information that the polygon count is 100k more than Forza 3 when Turn 10 has NEVER officially stated how many polygons their cars have? Just curious. 500k is the polygon count in GT5 btw.
Damn i defend BraynBasher and criticize him in the same post but Tor you were WRONG. You kept saying he was wrong, when he was right. And I quote:
“You can also try out a new game before you buy by playing on a friend’s machine for free or the MS Point equivalent of two quarters (about 40 MS Points) for a single play.”
So if your friend doesn’t have the game pony up the 2 quarters to play once.
no gonna comment on this WZ cuz i havent heard it yet, just on the whole gameroom thing.
i just cannot believe how many many ppl are gonna fork up cash for this thing.
i wouldnt pay a dime for something i could play (legally) for free.
could some1 plz tell these big companys to stop trying to bring the old stuff ppl already played to death on emulators and start trying to bring back the cool stuff. like power stone2? or any other Dreamcast game? srsly the dreamcast was the best system evar!.
also is dark void really worth my time? the game looks dull.and im trying to finish Darksiders b4 mass effect 2 comes out.
Download the demo and try it yourself and you will get your answer.
I played the 360 version and the demo was just okay. Was fun playing the jet pack but overall the demo doesn’t get me excited to purchase it day one. I may download it off of Ssteam when the price is right.
ERic was right about that. I didn’t know you could configure a NAS for internet access. These devices that I saw were called personal clouds. Eric said that it was just a NAS device contradicting the fact that I called it a personal cloud. That’s where the argument ensued. I did give him a chance to enlighten me though if you listened.
If you listen to my Gameroom interview, you’ll hear that if you have a game and your friend doesn’t, you can challenge your friend and he can play once for free.
Torrence.
Any network accessible device *can* be accessed from the ‘net. Over ten years ago, I was writing the network code for a small device that could put literally *any* RS232 device (i.e. serial device) on the net. http://www.maxim-ic.com/products/microcontrollers/tini/ Why no USB? At that time – it hadn’t even been invented yet. It so happened that at that time I was working for a hardware company & following the boom of the Internet in the mid 90’s everyone was looking at how to get their devices on the ‘net.
As for CES, I was going to that event back in the mid 90’s when that was first created and based at London Olympia. Back in those days the CES was 100% about video games and it was the EU’s “version” of E3. I was there when the original Tomb Raider (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgjdFlUtgHI) was released and Katie Price (AKA Jordan / model) was dressing up as Lara Croft. I was there when WipEout 2097 (XL – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK1WSxNN4aU) was released and all you could hear was “Firestarter instrumental”. I was having to walk 15 minutes down the road to SEGA’s booked hotel to play Last Bronx (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A_x6holIaE) and Touring Car (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muiJ1gGEBnI) because SEGA wouldn’t pay up for the CES space and guess what? There was hardly anyone there! You need prime showroom space to be in the business so it’s no wonder SEGA found themselves out of the console business… Many famous people from games companies and TV attended the CES in those days from David Perry (of Shiny) to Michael Owen (famous footballer) to Kelly Brook (Smallville / model) to LordVonPS3.
Those were CRAZY times and some of the best. Many of today’s generation of coders should be ashamed of how slack things have got. To think we’re over 15 years on and 60 frames per second is still a problem because of how resources are soaked up and frame rate always comes second. It is ridiculous how even some of the RETRO games we’re served these days don’t run at 60fps. It is shameful that people are still amazed and impressed that games run at 60fps as it should be the standard for everything.
Damn it’s literally been decades since i last heard someone use the word RS232, LMFAO! Oh and i love Last Bronx, was great back then.
It’s why im not really excited for GameRoom, i think it’s a good idea but this has been going on for whats seems forever. Seriously we’ve had Namco Museums since the first Playstation. Nothing has changed they haven’t enhanced a single thing in most of these re-released retro games, it’s the same thing with gameroom. They’ve just incorporated leader boards that’s really it. I remember going from cabinet to cabinet, arcade to arcade just to try to get top score on each one so people who play afterwards would be like who the hell is this! He’s everywhere, this really isn’t bringing the arcade feeling back (not to me at least) and it hasn’t really brung any advancements. Bringing back contra and letting you play with a friend on your friends list with improved graphics and maybe adding some extra difficulty or deleted or left out content would be great. I have stacks of retro games that just got rehashed and im just sick of seeing the same shit over and over.
Jon is entitled to his opinion which is that Home sucks and that’s all good. But that’s all there is too it. Lot’s of people like Home and HHG actually presented his side of the debate very well. And i don’t even use Home.
Seems like GT5 and Splinter Cell are going for most push backs in development cycle. Delayed AGAIN! *sigh* I thought both companies said their games were complete…. Don’t worry I’ll still wait. Splinter Cell just better stay clear of Halo because we all know Halo vs competition ends. BTW where in the world did Braynbasher get his info from? Ubisoft said the game was delayed for “polishing” and that it would be delayed a “couple of months” where does he get an April release from. We don’t know how long said polishing will take.
Well i agree FFXII to me at least was a great FF. It sounds as if the game got very linear towards the end Drakol. That blows BUT come on man you know yiazmat in XII was just crazy. He had the beauty of being able to attack you and his attack had over 50% chance of causing death (instantly like the spell). Also when you deplete more health the chance gets higher. Beating him was more tedious than hard but Yiazmat sounds just as cheesy. Only difference and i would agree a big one is that yiazmat isn’t the final boss.
Also Drakol the deleted contend was supposedly enough to form it’s own FF game and that it was pulled from the game because of “volume” and “balance” according to art director Isamu Kamikokuryou. Hopefully DLC is in the future, I’m still rev’d up to play the game.
Personally i think it would a welcomed addition to game for money on consoles. Money raises the level of competition, usually so it sounds pretty good.
I liked the Bloody Roar series my only gripe is that it’s more of a button masher, which is fine because it’s a change of pace from other fighters.
Its official HHG gets a paycheck from Sony. Why else would he get so AMPED to defend it against what Jon Shaw was saying.
LMAO at Virtual Dollhouse for homos!
^^^lol
Jon Shaw is a idiot. He cannot debate for shit. When he does he loud rambling that right there is a sign that he has no solid arguement. Seriously we need a Retard of The Year award so he can win something. He has the vocabulary of a high school dropout. O F THIS F THAT.
this is probably the one time i can honestly agree with you commando……
lol news in 3D “eathquake is now hitting china” *you see the earthquake in 3D right in your face!*
omg again with ninja gaiden? play demon souls, THATS a hard game.
“clusterfuck” does not make for a hard game, just bad design choice, dark void should have better controls.
and who are the noobs that think that the nes megamans are hard? OMG! those are really easy games.
and srlsy, u guys r really defending the whole 5 dlr per game shet? omg, thats really stupid.
and achivments ? who cares about that BS.
jon shaw arguments against home are so awesome!:
HHG: home has gameroom already.
Jon shaw: home is shet home is shet home is shet.
HHG: home is about commmunity
jon shaw: shet is home shet is home shet is home.
yeah. viva le jon shaw.
not done listening WZ, ill finish up later.
lol, you must be terrible at Ninja Gaiden. this is the second time you’ve complained about it. and i REALLY hope you’re not trying to put Demon’s Souls in the same galaxy as Ninja Gaiden as far as difficulty.
i have the Demon’s Souls platinum (PSN: jthamind if you don’t believe me), and i’ve beaten Ninja Gaiden many times over, including Ninja Gaiden Sigma on Master Ninja. Ninja Gaiden takes SKILL to master. Demon’s Souls takes time and dedication, not skill as a gamer.
Ninja Gaiden, as a 3D action game and combat system, has no flaws as far as the way it plays. only the gamers that play it do.
i finished both Ninja gay 1 and 2.(Sigma is more “Balanced” thant the 360 ver, basically they took out enemies and bosses cuz ps3 cant handle it) wont be able to see my gamertag cuz i play pirated games on another 360 so it wont get banned.
Ninja gaiden is full of cheesetastic moments. just search the forums, enemies attacking from blind spots, camera issues is a disaster. if you dont think so thats fine. understand this, ninja gaiden is NOT A HARD GAME. even Alma ppl said that she was an impossible boss on master ninja and it just a matter of avoiding and attacking.
and btw, ninja gaiden is nowhere nere Demon souls in terms o difficulty.
cuz to me Demon souls actually presents challenge. explaining why is gonna take a lot of typing so im just gonna give u an example as to why:
4 example whe u cover in DS, u are safe from the direction u r guarding, when u cover on Ninja gaiden(or any other game) u get a magical blanket, hope u get it.
JON AND HIPHOP GOING AT IT WAS FUNNY LET THEM TWO FIGHT EVERY WEEK!!!!
CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME WAS IT IT SCARY FOR A GAME TO COME OUT ON ON ANOTHER CONSOLE IF IT WAS A EXCLUSIVE FIRST.I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY WEAPON WOULD SAY THATS SCARY.THE WAY SOME OF THESE GUYS THINK JUST BOGGLES MY MIND.
LOL NOW A GOD OF WAR SUPERBOWL AD AS I SAID BEFORE WHERE IS KILLZONES SUPER BOWL AD
GOOD SHOW
Shaw is a disrespectful, loud buffoon. He might be funny, but that’s about it.
can someone tell me another way to download this.. cause everytime i click download windows media player pops up and it wont download instead it just plays
try right click and then “save as”
ok thnx it worked. didnt think of that
About time,it feels like it’s been a while since there was a warzone.
lol xbots hatin on home
If not liking home is hating then yes im hating. I own a 360…got a PS3 for uncharted 2 and tried home and wasnt feeling it.
Seems to me anyone who doesnt like anything Sony just has to be a xbox fanboy. No the case with me….just didnt like it.
because home is trash…..
but some peoples trash is other peoples treasure… so they can enjoy it lol
-Home is pretty garbage. The idea was great and second life pulled it off but home is junk.
-my name was brought up by weapon x ( hello sir) during the god of war stuff and I understad hhgs and weapons love for the game but I don’t see god of war as a killer game. I just don’t get it. Like I said in the past the other 2 how’s were hood but not te holy Grail some make them out to be. Now everytime hhg brings up how uber gow3 is he talks about ripping eyes out and blood and the guts and that stuff but not much about the actual gameplay. Blood and guts visually can only go so far. I don’t know if I just don’t like gow. Because I liked heavenly sword and ninja gaiden but when it comes to gow I’m just not impressed by the gameplay.
-tor that cloud based harddrives thing sounds like a typical FTP. What’s the difference in an FTP to a cloud hdd? The point of both is to be able to access files on the net from anywhere you just need a user and a pass. I was streaming the show and the stream dropped out during this part of the show so I couldn’t listen to the rest , maybe u explained the cloud hdd thing I will continue listening later.
More comments to come soon
update::::
-tor I know Anthony is your tech guy but WTF ! When is he gonna start reviewing shit?
-I’m very excited for gameroom but I do wish the games were 25c an not 50c also I think ms said there won’t be multiplayer which upsets me because I would love multiplayer pong.
-make the site iPhone friendly!
-trials HD hates me. Bye bye
no when you shit on home and praise the game room that ms is doing sounds bias. home and ms game room suck ass so wtf!!!!!
you know ur an xbot when:
“claim to be a hardcore gamer who despises gimmicks and plan on buying natal and milo”
“when you shit on home and praise the game room that ms is doing”
@bucnasty
wait, wtf? you were crying about people not sucking sony’s dick in terms of home but now you agreeing with the fact (more of an opinion) that home sucks? i smell a troll….
Game Room is nothing like Home. Game Room is for those who love classic gaming, want achievements and leaderboard status. You can’t do that with a MAME cabinet. As much as I love MAME cabinets, I can’t have my friends in California play those games and challenge my scores. With Game Room I can. Home sucks. Period. It’s still in Beta though.
The problem with your assumption about the relative success of “Game Room” here is that MAME is free and anyone with a PC can acquire and play those games for free. There are far more PC’s out there than XBox 360’s. A PC keyboard is better suited to games like “Galaga” than a XBox 360 controller. The question is an old one… Why pay for something people can get for free?
“Game Room” is a way of encouraging gamers to play a preset list of arcades. I’m sure we’ll see classics like Galaga and Frogger. the sort of games we can already play on the X360, PC and other machines. I think that old games are more likely to turn gamers off using “Game Room” instead of encouraging them to start competing for scores like in a real arcade.
As for sharing high scores and so on, a few of the people I know have principally agreed to a policy of taking screen shots and sharing them with other friends using Google Documents collaborative functionality… SNES games. ZX Spectrum games. MAME games… Doesn’t really matter as long as it can be emulated and old friends can play the same games they always used to. Of course it’d be possible to “Photo Shop” screen shots of high scores, but that defeats the entire purpose of having a little friendly competition.
OMG Jon shaw is the biggest Spastic i cant beleive brain basher and Jon is actually on this web site. brains shouldnt say anything about ps3 or any games on ps3 for some reason he doesnt even own one. get rid of Jon shaw iv tryed to understand and act civilized but he is a complete spastic and i cant fucking beleive you would leave hiphop hanging like that torence every week hiphop gets bashed and you sit there. i cant beleive Jon actually thinks a virtual menu beats home NO WAY !!! the only bad thing about home is that there are to many downloads and loading that it. Jon didnt once explain why he hated it. then on the top of that the little bitch calls everyone in home homoes who the fuck does he think he is.he isults everyone on the fucking warzone that says something remotely bad about xbox then he snaps and goes nuts. iv listened to the warzone and visited this site for over a year and a half but torrence Jon is ruining this site and the warzone. if you want this site to be taken serriously on a preffesional level you have to ditch Jon you cant have people like him representing your site. brain sounds like a nice guy but he just dosnt know wat he is talking about. FUCK JON SHAW THAT LITTLE BITCH
Then you don’t listen to the Warzone. He has already explained why the hell he doesn’t like HOME. How many damn times does someone need to explain what they like and don’t like. If you want the explanation search the previous episodes.
Other than that…..You mad???????
mboojigga are you DLB ???? because jon is an asshole look at my previous comments on his videos then he comments back saying shit. i dont no how he has grown up but he has to grow up and act like an adult. his worse than a fanboy. fanboys talk shit about system but he takes it personal and start personally insulting people iv seen it on this site to many times. other people on this site may not have the balls to stand up and say something but im not going to take it. i dont give a shit if he says shit about a console the fact is he starts insulting people personally which im sorry but thats not on. why are you replying anyway mind your own business i wasnt even talking to you. you are always doing that shit.
You hit the nail on the head. To sum it up Jon Shaw is the reason why kids need to go to college. Limited Vocabulary and not an effective communicator.
Hmmmmmm are you sure thats what you want to tell people? How about you know who you are talking to and what you are talking about before you open your mouth. You kids should learn that! Really Learn that!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/46614469@N03/sets/72157623232946878/
OMG OMG THE IGNORANT BAFFOON WHO HAS NO VOCABULARY HAS A COLLEGE EDUCATION OHHHHHH NOEEEEES! The world is going to end!
Get the fuck out a here with your bullshit and come correct next time!
I can’t front Jon showing his current GPA and all is kind of pwnage.
Who were you talking too then? I don’t recall you specifing who exactly you were talking too. You simply called out Jon Shaw. You didn’t say for example “Commander,”
Well lets get the “why am I replying comment out the way”
Does your ass know your on a public forum? If you have an issue with me replying then you should have requested his email address and bitch about the issue you have with him. Don’t get sensitive because I gave you a response. I replied giving you an answer I couldn’t care less that you like or not. HOME has been discussed before and you made a statement about why he didn’t explain why he doesn’t like HOME. He has even as recent as 2 weeks back with the SKYPE chat that was posted on here. So again search and you will get your answers as to why he doesn’t like HOME. I am sure Jon if he so choose too will come in and respond to you himself. Just because YOU didn’t here it like some of us who listen to the Warzone and visit the site daily doesn’t mean it hasn’t been explained. I will mind my buisness when you don’t post a comment on a “public” forum. Email him next time lol.
If you are not going to take it then handle your buisness homeboy.
I just find it funny that your bitching about him and then yelling FUCK JON SHAW. S-E-N-S-I-T-I-V-E( Major Pain voice)
you and jon obviously dont get the point of the rant. it was to illustrate that attacks on people on a personal level is not on and yes i just contradicted myself but jon you have to learn to cut that shit out i tryed to be nice to you congradulated you on that article you wrote about getting in the industy and everything then you go do the same shit i was talking to you about in that other article: http://www.thebitbag.com/2009/12/31/gamer-chat-candid-anthony-jon-shaw-talk-bayonetta/. you personally insult people i dont give a fuck about the console its when you do that shit that was the whole point.
Let me let you know something Im a grown ass man I work I pay my bills and I do what the fuck i want to do because I have payed my dues and earned that right! I said my thoughts on what I thought about home several times before, just because you didnt hear that not my problem. Now I said my piece about what i thought about home compared to the game room and I you see that I feel that home is shit and the gameroom gets straight to the point the games. The virtual doll house for homos was a fucking joke if you can’t take it guess what i could give to fucks. Hiphop is a grown ass fucking man and don’t need you to hold his balls for him. Hiphop can take it and can dish it and thats why our respect for each other is so high. We don’t agree on a lot of shit but we respect each other. Now He wanted to defend home so thats how the argument got started. There is no hard feelings between me and him at all. AT ALL. So if you like home go play home! Why you worried what i think about it, or the people in it. Are you sensitive, do you need some tissue? I have never attacked any one for saying shit about 360 shows how much you really listen! You and your kind so infatuated with thinking we are xbots that you don’t even think clearly! I own all three, i have friends on all three, and i play all three on a regular basis. When ever the fuck i want to say what i don’t like about the shit I own I will do so. Regardless of how you or anyone else feels about it.
What are you standing up to? whats that all about? are you upset with me? Do you think i really give a fuck? Let me tell you what you are going to do about what I said absolutely nothing! ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BUT RUN YOUR MOUTH! Im not hard to find at all. You calling me a bitch but you are the one crying in a comment section when im not hard to find at all. Matter of fact let me make it easy for you because I would love for you to come tell me im a bitch. I would absolutely love that. Im in Kansas City Missouri and all you have to do is ask for FULLEFFECT ENT and you will find me. I might be in Boston in march, la in june, and sandiego in july so please come find me. Lets see who really is a bitch. Since you feel like you are an adult lets handle it like adults come find me. But a word of advice don’t come at a man if you not ready to stand on your own two feet and stand by what you say.
mboojigga = DLB?
Like I said fucking virtual doll house and Benny is Ken Barbie! ROFL
I’m sorry Benny I shouldnt have called you names! But you took it there. If you don’t feel like you a homo or you are playing with a virtual dollhouse then why are you getting upset about what I said? If you wasn’t feeling guilty you wouldnt have had a problem with it. If you wasn’t so up in arms about be talking about Sony you wouldnt have had a problem. Lets flip the script if ms came out with home and is doing the same shit with it that sony is doing, and then sony came out with the game room I still would have said the same shit period! YOU GUYS MAKE IT A SONY VS MS THING I don’t I express that i don’t like said feature and that I like other said features just so happens its two different companies. Lets say that sony has home and gameroom home still fucking sucks to me and I would still prefer gameroom.
The end of the day Jon your a representative of this gaming site and its inappropriate to say stuff like that about people. you didnt hurt my feelings its just the fact that as a representative of this site all staff on this site need to stay at a preffesional level. I personally dont like playstation home very much either but the point is that ……well i think i made my point. when i siad “he insults everyone on the fucking warzone that says something remotely bad about xbox” that was more of an example and i wasnt really emplying that you were a fanboy or anything i should have said something else there. so to me i dont care if sony has game rooms or MS would have home i would feel the same i would still not like home much either but that wasnt the point. sorry i siad the stuff i siad about you i was pritty pissed at the time =)
Lol, HHG got that chargers/jets prediction right
I don’t understand where my statement even needed a response? I’ll say it again and i quote:
“You can also try out a new game before you buy by playing on a friend’s machine for free or the MS Point equivalent of two quarters (about 40 MS Points) for a single play.”
You challenge your friends score for free ONCE, after that you have to pay for the game. For one time play it’s 40 MS Points. You kept bringing that point up towards Brayn when that’s not the point he was trying to make, the point is it still costs 40 MS Points for single play. You can DEMO for free ONCE after that pay up. You also forgot to ask him more about the multiplayer aspect. There will be NO head-to-head combat and two player games will only work LOCALLY. Also dreamcast games are something they want to implement BUT the service will determine that it’s nothing coming as of now.
Again Brayn try to stay current it’s 2010 bro, what provider is “splitting” signals? You say your not getting the full signal, just what are you talking about? Do you not know what your talking about, most broadcasts are in 1080i while others like abc and nbc are in 720p. It’s no secret that not everything is shot with HD cameras what happens is those shows get upconverted. So just what non-sense is he talking about.
Also Brayn please where did you get your data from on the average home NOT having a 42″ TV set? I would like reference anything other than that is pure speculation and not true. Actually on the contrary the average TV size sold since 2004 has been 42″ in the US. Add to it that Sharp has been quoted with these statistics i find your claim laughable. Provide accurate data don’t mislead and misinform. Tor keep ya people honest. Education is what your all about right.
Sharp sales figures in 2008 (09 figures not available yet):
46-inches TVs and above have risen 272%
40-42 inch TVs sales are up 123%
37-inch TVs sales are up 308%
I don’t think Brayn explained his point well based on your response(haven’t listened to that discussion yet)
What I think he was trying to get at is that comapanies like Comcast and DirecTV highly compresses HD images to create more channel space. This compression, to save bandwidth, reduces image quality is somthing that has been an issue since HD went mass market. There was even a lawsuit about this back in 2003 I think with claims DirecTV was compressing HD qaulity to create more channels. Directv launched new satellites since 2003 and just launched another one on Dec 29, 2009 for the upgrade of 200 HD channels to be available this year.
Yep that is true but again what year are we in? This was an issue back in 08, he’s looking at a two year old forum post, As you said they compressed the video to offer more channels but the pipes have widened since then. He’s bringing it up as if he’s certain they are still compressing his HD channels to the point where it’s not even 1080i or even 720p. Also this was an issue with TWO companies, TWO years ago and not on all channels, it was a couple where it was noticeable.
Also here’s some interesting forecasts and info about 3D TV’s. It’s coming whether you guys want it to or not. People will purchase these 3D sets…
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2010-01-05-3D-television_N.htm
Brayn is right about the compression shit . I live in the Bronx NY and my ISP/tv is optimum online/tv. They have an awesome Internet service and the tv isn’t that bad either but the HD channels are compressed to allow more channels. Now the channels don’t look terrible but they are not as crisp ad hdish as direct tv. The channels that look the best are the sports channels and earth channel but syfy and many others exhibit alot of artifacts especially dark colors.
I originally thought it was my tv/ cable box or something but I’ve read all over the net it’s the cable company. Oh well atleast they give me 40 mbp down 7 up for $40 bucks.
this site is going down the drain brah at least micheal a wasnt on this show dudes voice is annoying. its the same o shit every warzone everyone gangs up on hiphop.so if your are playing doll house on home what are you doing in a game room walking around wit fake mii wannabe characters getting but raped by ms to buy some old school games you can get for free. i swear this site just praises everything MS does.
if that’s true, then why are you still here? why hang out and comment on a “Pro Xbox” website?
seriously though….N4G is that way —->
(they do all the sony dick sucking so you wont have to)
ROTFL!!!! Got em Coach!
@ Benny2503
i’m getting so tired of (retarded)people saying “well, since you don’t have X system, you cant comment on it.” its a fucking stupid argument….
Its seems like whenever people bring that up they are only looking for good comments towards that system (in this case, ps3) but as soon as you start dipping into the negative region they start to take a closer look at the person who is saying it instead of the point that is being made. wtf is up with that?
So i can comment on how great the nintendo wii is and how excited i am for some of the games coming out this year but whenever i start talking about what it should improve on i can’t because i don’t one? sounds fucking stupid right? Double Standards FTL
That is a very good point. Notice, only a specific group of fanboys says that about their beloved system. No one calls people biased for not owning a Wii. It is rather silly.
wtf are you talking about ? it makes sence if you dont have the system dont make oppinions or statements about it. its like sex a guy shouldnt give his oppinion on how sex feels if his never done it. your argument is weak as shit. and its not just systems games as well. “So i can comment on how great the nintendo wii is and how excited i am for some of the games coming out this year but whenever i start talking about what it should improve on i can’t because i don’t have one?” then why would you be excited if you didnt own one it doesnt make sence. weakest argument ever !!!
Do you need to be shot to know it is not enjoyable? No. Do you need to cut off a limb to know it will hurt and hinder the rest of your life? No.
You can comment on a system if you don’t own it as long as you do your research. Some people don’t need all three systems. That does not mean they aren’t knowledgable of all three, it just means they don’t need all three.
@Commander
this is probably the one time i can honestly agree with you
i don’t think jon is an idiot though, i just feel the way that he comments on certain subjects is a bit childish……it’s not always like that but most of the time its something like this……
Random person: “The Nintendo Wii is crap because…..”
Jon: “WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE WII FOR LIKE THAT ITS A SOLID SYSTEM THAT KILLING EVERY OTHER SYSTEM OUT THERE ect…..”
(and i’m not even exaggerating….)
Every time he comes on the show he has to completely interrupt the flow. it was funny as hell the first few times to hear someone come out of no where high jack the entire show but when someone is trying to bring relevant points and ideas to the table in order to explain why they feel the way they do it is a bit immature and down right unprofessional to interrupt them and engage in a screaming match. (especially with HHG because we all know that he thinks he’s right about everything…..it was retarded to get into it with him in the first place because all logic went out the window and it just seemed like you guys were stroking your egos while at the same time seeing who could make the most noise)
if you do happen to read this jon please take this as constructive criticism and not me trying to personally attack you. i know you could possibly care less but when new people decide to check out the show only to hear a grown man yell and stop people’s chain of thought it makes not only you but the entire show seem…a bit “little league” in terms of quality and setup. (every time Jon enters it becomes something out of a Jerry Springer episode with people running around screaming and trying to fight but at the end of the day it was all setup to look like it was real….)
i love the show and i love the work you guys do here but thats probably one of the few issues that i have noticed that completely stops the show. Also, that was not the best episode to put on N4G……
I think you need to listen to the show again. I was interrupted. Yes I yell and don’t care what you or anyone else thinks about it. some like it some don’t thats the world.
the wii thing i comment on wii shit because everyone likes to dismiss the wii like its not in competition but yet the hardware outsells every other console, the software is outselling the other console software as well. Then the wii didnt come out and say it was going to be an hd system, it didnt come out and say this is this and that is that. so when people say the wii is not what they expected how so? The wii is every thing that it was said to be. When I heard about the wii I knew it was going to have a lot of casual games, the whole point of the wii is to bring back the living room gaming. You know families and friends gaming in the same room. Hence lets play together as the slogans, The name its self WII(WE) So nintendo didnt fool anyone, didnt underdeliver, it gave exactly what it said it was going to give. I can’t say the same thing for home.
Now to your point about the cursing and the unprofessional and the bla bla bla bla bullshit. First this is the WARZONE not the safezone! If people have sensitive ears and can’t take yelling and cursing then guess what I don’t think the warzone is for them. Please stop trying to make it seem like im the one that yells and interrupted all the time i rarely speak on the show unless asked something. Out of a 3 hour show on average i speak about 10 to 15mins, while every one else has a hour to ramble about what they want. But you are right about 1 thing i don’t care!
but i responded to your post because I feel I owe you that much respect for respectfully stating your piece without talking shit.
But to be truthfully honest with you I didn’t get to the point Im at today by listening to what other people thought about me, and making my actions reflect that. I got here by doing what im going to do and not worrying about what other people think about it. I came in knowing that some people will like it and some won’t, and that for the most part the majority won’t. But let me ask you a question would you change what you are doing to please the people that want you to change or would you keep being you and please yourself and the people that are already happy with what you do? Hate it of love it this is Jon Shaw I’m not changing and certainly am not going to do so for the sake of how someone else thinks I should behave.
i like your yelling jon.
thanks rofl
im 2 hours into the show and i just pasted the part were you rocked bottomed hiphop through the table in that argument yall had lol
i wouldn’t call it all that we was just having fun. Something that I think people forgot how to do these days.
yea but sometimes he needs to realize hes not always right.
@ SixAmpFuze
I live in the BX too (Fios for me though) and i know people who have comcast. Let’s be clear on something though, all HD content is compressed. All of it even on those nice once used but now Dead HD DVD discs used compression. Uncompressed 1080i video simply takes up too much room (around 1.5 Gbps), the average home cannot support this and with dual HD streams and tuners along with the bandwidth being used for surfing the web or gaming just wouldn’t be possible. DirecTV, Verizon they all compress. Now those pictures and the over compressing situation that comcast implied back in 08 was really only noticeable in STILL shots to the naked eye you could not see the difference
The way to free up space on a cable system is to eliminate the remaining analog channels which oh yeah didn’t that happen last year? Some systems, including FIOS are doing this to make more space for HD channels. Also switched video that changes which networks are on what channels depending on what people in a given neighborhood are actually watching. Experts say that this approach can handle an infinite number of networks, even in high definition.
Most of what you think your seeing Sixampfuze is mostly a local issue. The local broadcaster can vary wildly in quality, although, Comcast usually does not add additional compression to those channels so if there’s an issue with them it’s with the local station and not Comcast. Like i said this was a major issue TWO years ago, video is still being compressed and even upconverted because they were never filmed in HD. But it doesn’t make the end result NOT HD, Brayn should have did his research instead of point to a 2 year old forum without knowing the advancements that have been made since then. You can think that comcast is shafting you on HD quality but you’d have to present sufficient proof to make that claim. Because you see pixelation on screen doesn’t mean it’s comcasts fault and that is what Brayn should have gathered from that two year old thread and something that should have been addressed on the warzone. Again misinformation…
Just got around to listening to the show, and I have to say that I pretty much agree with everything stated about CES. The 3D TV push was insane, and to be honest, I don’t get it. I mean, I get why these TV manufacturers are pushing it ($$$), but 99.9% of 3D looks odd to me. Maybe its the TV I’ve seen or the software used, but the current state of the technology is failing for me. I always thought that 3D was to give real world-like depth, instead it looks like the real world filtered through a computer to create odd layering. The same with the 3D camera from Fujitsu.
That said, I have to say that watching a “300″ clip in 3D @ Zalman’s party was f’n sweet. Maybe that’s because “300″ has a visual style that doesn’t even attempt to replicate real world visuals..?
If I were to have a 3D TV, I wouldn’t waste my time by watching crapfest movies like Sex and the City, School of Rock, and even the Transformer movies (except the 80s cartoon version). Instead, I would watch Mirror Mask, 300, Dawn of the Dead (and the remake), Pan’s Labyrinth, Labyrinth, Lord of the Rings trilogy and the Star Wars trilogy. Movies that have eye-popping visuals
ohhh I forgot to say this on the show but we saw Lord of the Rings in 3d there fucking awesome! Its just like hd you have some channels in hd and you have some that are not. Some cable providers make you pay for hd content some don’t. But they all give you an option. I believe just like this the same thing can be said for 3d you will have providers that will have 3d channels for paid subscriptions, while still giving you the option to watch tv normally. I think every one thinks that 3d is going to come along and you are going to be forced to watch it. Not the case, is that the case with hd? NO
Lets take a look back in time, once before the only way you could watch something on a big screen was at a theater. Then they came out with the bigscreen tvs that you could put in your home, and then projectors that you could put on a wall and get pretty big picture. Then the only way to see high res movies was at the movie theater, or imax. then bam hd tvs come out now you can do it at home. same with 3d yes its going to start out at theaters but its not going to stay there just like everything else didnt stay there.
I watched avatar in 3d, now when it comes out on dvd and blueray why would I want to watch it normally after the great exp I had with it in 3d? Thats why companies are making a push to 3d so people can have a theater exp in there home.
@Jon Shaw
eh….probably not the best idea to ask me to listen to the show again because it only allowed me to see that i wasn’t too far from the truth. it allowed me to back up my original points more specifically as to which area’s of the show i was talking about. call me being too anal or too serious but you did ask so, heres what i found….
-Timeline-
1:47:45 – First Interruption that sparks the debate
1:47:50 to 1:47:57 – cluster fuck into high-jacking the show to state your views (I DONT COME HOME…..)
1:48:01 to 1:48:28 – cluster fuck
1:48:28 – Tor stops to organize the debate
1:48:44 to 1:48:49 – fails to acknowledge the change and interrupts, becomes cluster fuck
1:48:55 to 1:49:01 – interruption to cluster fuck
1:49:05 to 1:49:09 – interruption to cluster fuck
1:49:36 to 1:49:38 – interruption
1:50:04 to 1:50:14 – cluster fuck
1:50:23 to 1:50:27 – cluster fuck
1:50:32 to 1:50:37 – cluster fuck
1:51:01 to 1:51:08 – cluster fuck
1:52:09 to 1:52:15 – cluster fuck (Tor and HHG)
now, what i would politely ask you to go back and listen to these specific areas just to see exactly what i am talking about when it comes to you talking over others when they are trying to get their points across.
just because i don’t like something, does that give me a reason or authority to jump in and completely impede someone who is trying to explain why they enjoy it? i know im not going to change you mind like you said but im just giving you something (as well as others) to think about. i wouldn’t want it to be done to me so i sure as hell wouldn’t be doing it to others. if you respected someone, you wouldn’t be cutting over them even if it was all fun and games.
do you really need to talk over others in order to get your point across? im not trying to say that your the only one who does it but whenever i hear someone get into a debate and you decide to bring your opinion into it, its always in a HULK SMASH manner where people will be in the middle of their points, you’ll interrupt and start talking over them (practically yelling) and from there it becomes a cluster fuck to the degree where it hard to understand what the fuck anyone is saying. (that is until the person who was already talking but was cut off decides to back off for a second to LISTEN then COME BACK AFTER THE PERSON WHO INTERRUPTED THEM IS FINISHED) Now remember, im not trying to pin the spotlight on you, i’ve seen HHG do it in the past and he still does it today but at least the guy will let the person who he is in conflict with finish his entire point before he steps up to the plate in order to “smash them”.
Now as to relating more to your response which i respect the fact that you did take the time to respond to….
-where exactly in the whole “home sucks” debate with HHG where you interrupted because thats what my main post was regarding to. Also, when i mean “interrupted” i mean when you started talked and someone cut you off before giving you the chance to finish explaining yourself
-the wii thing was just a random example. i completely understand how you feel about it and i also partially feel the same way. when i used the wii as an example it wasn’t to talk about the wii initially, it was to show how allot of time when you engage into a debate with someone you completely cut them off without letting them finish their point.
-So just because a show is labeled “THE WARZONE” means you check all self control, humility and exemplary qualities at the door? i didn’t i said anything about cursing because frankly i don’t give a shit about it myself, they are just words and while yes, i will agree with you that (a)your not the only one who yells and interrupts and (b)you rarely speak on the show for more than 10 – 15 mins, does that give you the right to interrupt others on a frequent basis?
(if i go to the dollar store and steal something once a year but other people go to the store and steal things once a week does that mean your not doing something wrong? if you get caught you got caught, the only difference between you and allot of the other people that come on the show is that you do a better job of putting yourself out there so everyone notices you)
as to your question to me….its between a maybe and a no but i would defiantly go back and check to see if i am being overly radical over a certain issue. im the kind of person where i love to be proven wrong and if you happen to prove me wrong i’ll apologize and change my stand point from there on but if i don’t feel like im wrong or nothing about what i am doing is over the line to the point where im just making myself look like a fool then theres little chance of me changing my thought pattern.
at the end of the day i understand that you will always be who you are and you wont change for no one. initially my first post wasn’t to say “Hey Jon, you need to learn how to stfu”, it was more of a way to say “you should really listen to yourself on the show and ask yourself how you would feel if someone kept cutting you off when your trying to explain your views.”
here is what you can do cause I’m not going to argue back and forth about this KICK ROCKS IF YOU DON’T LIKE WHAT I GOT TO SAY AND YOU CAN LEARN TO STFU CAUSE YOU CAN’T MAKE ME SHUT THE FUCK UP SO SHUT THE FUCK UP! rofl how about that. I don’t give a fuck about how I sound, don’t give a fuck about if you like it or not. I don’t do this because I’m worried about wtf you or anyone else thinks. I do this because I want to and if every one in the fucking world didnt like it I still wouldnt give a fuck! So until you or someone can shut me the fuck up I will say what I want when I want and there is nothing that any one can do about it. If god forbid I’m banished from the bitbag im still going to say and do what I want when I want. Then the last thing im going to do is take advice from the sideline when im starting and you are in the stands. Don’t need your criticism don’t want it and didnt ask for it. You can give it all you want and waist your time but guess what I don’t care. Im not here for the same reason everyone else is, im not here to act like im some bigshot journalist, im not trying to be a gaming celebrity, Im sure the fuck am not a role model(raise your own damn kids). Don’t give a fuck about your view on professionalism, I’m not going to change shit I do, unless I want to and there is nothing you or anyone can do about it. So if you can’t take it the only advice i can give you is kick rocks and go somewhere else. HAVE A NICE DAY!
You stay classy.
nope not classy, not professional not none or that bullshit, any thing else you want to throw out there? Am I supposed to cry because you don’t like me?
Yes I expect you to cry because im one of a kind.
This is for every one if HIPHOP HAD A PROBLEM WITH WHAT WENT DOWN HIPHOP WOULD TELL ME THAT SHIT! SO STOP TRYING TO HOLD A GROWN MANS NUTTS FOR HIM! Hiphop is a grown ass man and can handle himself he don’t need yall to protect him. Every one crying talking about they ganging up on hiphop, ohhh booo hooo boo hoo. Like thats what we had planed or something. Hiphop does what he does because thats what he likes. He likes the controversy. So stop with all the boo hooing hiphop can take care of hisself.
wow, you just missed the entire point i was trying to make just above. it could have been anyone (in that recent situation it was HHG)
the point was Do you really feel the need to cut off people when they are trying to get their points across on the show.
wow this is the last warzone im listening to, what is wrong with john shaw ? the chip on his shoulder is so large i bet it gives him shade from the sun !
dont get me wrong i dont use home and i wont use xbox arcade room, i dont like either of these serivces, but the difference is i cant call them SHIT, i say i dont like them, they are not for me. Why does john come across like everything is a personal attack? why cant he be calm and just get his point across?
i mean last warzone people were just trying to say they wanted more hardcore games on the wii,as mad world is cool, no more heros etc, john says dont buy a fukin wii, no one said the wii was shit they just wanted more variety instead of shovel ware & family games.honestly why all the anger john, why all the hate, this is not what i listen to podcast for. you come back at fans all angry and just constant swearing, its just peoples views, i mean we had to listen to your view on home.
What about the people who like the serivce, my daughter likes it for pool, bowling etc as its free and shes not into hardcore ps3 games. It would have been much easier to say you dont like home you dont use home, just because you think its shit, doesnt make it so. Your views are so black & white, dont buy a wii if you want hardcore, come on people are allowed to want variety on their system.
The reason the arguement was allowed to carry on was Torrence doesnt like home, but then again i think he plays the wii and 360 more than the ps3, which is cool as everyone has preference even if they say they dont.Even torrence comments on here home sucks, it sucks for you, thats all.Sorry guys i used to enjoy this site and podcast but maybe its because this is an american site you guys prefer xbox, the wii and ps3 doesnt really get the same coverage, here in the UK just dance wii has just knocked mw2 off the number 1 spot.In my view mw2 is an expensive add on, the game is amazing on its own, but cod4 pushed the game so much, 2 years later and most stuff thats changed is just customisation,maps and a short single player
and if infinity ward makes you pay for cod4 map packs that are already on the disc, hmmm my copy has been traded in already, never seen so many hacks,glitchs, cheats on a console game, not buyin this series again.Maybe im better off with a uk podcast, sorry guys.
cry me a river oh oh, cry me a river oh oh, cry me a river oh oh.
you lost one rofl you win some you lose some sorry im a champion! Rofl
Is this what gamers have become a bunch of sensitive ass bitches!? Are you engaged to your fucking consoles? are you fucking them? I swear yall act like some one shot your best friend. Yall have yalls opinion about me and i have my opinion about a fucking object. when i talk about the wii I ask have you played this have you played that and the majority of the time the answer is no so how can you ask for variety when you haven’t even exp the hardcore games it does have? then how can you just dismiss it as not being in competition just because its outselling everything else in software and hardware. Then people will say they don’t want to play with motion controlls and I tell them then you don’t want a wii because thats what the wii is about. Thats my point about the wii. If you play it fine, if you don’t i really don’t care either but don’t talk shit when you haven’t even given it a chance. esp when its clear that its doing something right because its still outselling everything.
Guess what i wasnt talking to a fucking fan i was talking to hippity hop gamer and he doesnt seem to have a problem so why the fuck are you sensitive ass bitches getting your panties in a bunch over a fucking argument. Ok fine I pulled a kanye its not the end of the fucking world. I don’t talk shit to none of you pieces of shit till yall bring my life and yalls opinion of me into this shit. Yes you talk shit to me i will bring it right fucking back! You don’t like it shut your fucking mouth and talk about games and leave your personal feelings about me out the fucking convo and you don’t have to worry about me getting in your ass(no homo)!
Yall crack me the fuck up it don’t matter what goes on over here yall never happy. Even when i wasnt on the fucking show for a month yall were still complaining and bitching and moaning. But now all of a sudden Im whats wrong with the warzone? Yall talk all this shit out here in the comment section but its funny nobody comes on the show and says shit, nobody says nothing. Then yall wanted to roast hiphop last week and he gives you a chance to come one and speak your mind and what happens nobody says shit! I wonder why that is?
But you know what its all good, I won’t say shit on the warzone no more how about that. I won’t respond to no more posts Ill just do me go to the events make my vids and have fun. Ill just treat you like every other website does and ignore you. We give you dumb fucks a chance to express yourself put your thoughts out there and all you guys can do is throw personal shots. Nobody on this site has to make themselves available but we do. We try to give you something other sites don’t and you don’t even use it. you just cry over fucking inanimate objects. I’ve gotten every thing that I have wanted out of this shit I have nothing to prove not to you or the fucking industry. So pow the people have spoken there will be no more jon shaw on the warzone or in the comment section have fun bitches cause I am and will.
Good cast, i would just like to say about your MLB10 comment one of the main reasons it wouldnt be a great 360 game because its animation system and engine is custom tailored engine for the PS3. Theres a reason animation wise why that game awes…a 360 version wold yeild more money for the dev but, from the way it was created and what they said in the dev diary its far to reliant on BR storage and spus to be ported respectivly on 360 and be the same quality.
I cannot wait for Mass effect 2 and GOW3. GOW3 i beleive will get GOTY…visually its just amazing on the new build.
As far as 3D tv i welcome it, i just hope the price of the TVs welcome new low prices so it can be adopted by the average consumer.
Is this what gamers have become a bunch of sensitive ass bitches!? Are you engaged to your fucking consoles? are you fucking them?
jon is killing me lol
keep doing what you doing jon fuck the haters
jon, Please understand that this has nothing to do with me wanting you to “STFU”, its about looking at how you were presenting yourself for the site when you were interrupting others on the warzone. thats all i was saying but i will admit that you did a very good job at blowing out of proportion.
2. if you don’t want my criticism, why are you responding to it? Do what HHG does on his articles and walk by it. if it’s not that big of a deal, don’t make it into one.
3. this has nothing to do with HHG, only the points he was trying to make before he kept getting cut off. im not trying to stand up for HHG, im trying to stand up for having a voice on a show that isn’t interrupted. call me hating or whatever but whenever i watch a show and 2 people are talking at the same time which makes the show incomprehensible, theres obviously a problem. (the funny part is that the solution is simple)
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Response To your “Final” Comment
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1. “Guess what i wasnt talking to a fucking fan i was talking to hippity hop gamer and he doesnt seem to have a problem so why the fuck are you sensitive ass bitches getting your panties in a bunch over a fucking argument”
-your overlooking what i was trying to say which had little to do with HHG or the argument in itself, it was the way you were interrupting in the argument which was a serious turn off to of the show itself because it creates chaos when 2 or more people are talking at once.
does it really make me sensitive if im trying to listen to the warzone and one person cuts in on another to create a cluster fuck then completely disregards the person who was speaking? Does that really make me “too sensitive” if i cant understand what the fuck is going on during the show so i decided to bring it up in the comment section? why do you feel that way?
your sitting here getting all offended and taking this to the 10th degree but i’m just laughing my ass off because all i am doing here is asking questions. questions that are related to why you do the things you do when you speak on the warzone. if it were anybody else i would be doing the same exact thing…..its not like im saying “OMG JON RUINS TEH SHOW!”, no! im asking why whenever you want to say something it is always in an interrupting manner? wtf is so hard about that?
2. “Yes you talk shit to me i will bring it right fucking back!”
- how did my entire 2nd response translate to me talking shit? it was the truth and i presented it to you in order for you to see that im not bull-shiting. i’ll be honest, my first response may seem as if i am “shit talking” but when i came back a 2nd time i was trying to seem as genuine as possible…… but i guess that wasn’t enough?
3. “You don’t like it shut your fucking mouth and talk about games and leave your personal feelings about me out the fucking convo”
- Don’t you see what your doing here? your shutting people out just because you don’t like it when a few people type anything other than positive remarks relating to you in the comments. why would anyone who has the duty to work on a website for others leave a remark like that when all they (the fans) are trying to do is leave CONSTRUCTIVE CRITISISM. i understand that you don’t want to take it but you have to understand that it (feedback) is still going to come your way regardless.
4. “Even when i wasnt on the fucking show for a month yall were still complaining and bitching and moaning.”
- because that’s what fans do, maybe not the negative collection of words you are using but they will always leave their feedback and ideas that could possibly improve the show for the future.
5. “But now all of a sudden Im whats wrong with the warzone?”
- your acting like as if no one said anything incorrect or stupid in the past month or however long you were gone for. c’mon, i think we both know thats incorrect.
6. “Yall talk all this shit out here in the comment section but its funny nobody comes on the show and says shit, nobody says nothing.”
- because a majority of the people who do listen to the show do not have mics (or at least thats how i see it, correct me if im wrong) I don’t have a mic yet but i’ll most likely be getting one soon for school so if you want me to come on the show and discuss this, no problem. just give me some room to lay out my ideas without cutting in. thats all im asking for but from the looks of it your taking it as if im trying to say you shouldn’t be on the show…..?
7. “But you know what its all good, I won’t say shit on the warzone no more how about that. I won’t respond to no more posts Ill just do me go to the events make my vids and have fun. Ill just treat you like every other website does and ignore you.”
-your taking all my constructive criticism in the wrong way. it wasn’t to show you up, it was to shine light on an area of the show that needed improvement. why do we have people cutting over other people thus creating a incomprehensible show?
8. “We give you dumb fucks a chance to express yourself put your thoughts out there and all you guys can do is throw personal shots.”
-you obviously didn’t read anything that i said in my second respond to you so….i guess your doing a good job at ignoring your fans…..or reading the message as if it was a personal shot when in all reality it wasn’t, whats up with that?
9. “So pow the people have spoken there will be no more jon shaw on the warzone or in the comment section have fun bitches cause I am and will.”
-its sad to see you go (honestly…..no homo though) because that’s not what any of us wanted (speaking for myself, im not sure about commando though?)
i don’t understand why as soon as some one calls you out in order to question why you do a certain thing on the warzone that you feel as if its time to pack up shop? why is it so hard to take constructive criticism? can you not see that im trying to help you out instead of attack you?…..i mean, wtf? i remember Torrence talking about this on a previous Warzone back then but damn, im surprised its actually coming into effect….
In the end, Your taking this way too seriously. All im saying is give people (could be anyone) room speak without cutting them off. Also, how hard is it to take criticism? especially when its constructive. your taking this too fucking personal to the point where your making yourself look more foolish than before. i may be the one spending more time “talking shit” in the comments section but its because i care about the show and i hate to see it go to shit when its not, even if it is for a few brief moments.
if you don’t want to respond to your fans anymore, fine….but realize that all i am asking you to do is read…..your making this situation more bleak that it really is. YOUR TURNING A SUGGESTION INTO A “OH MAN, LOOKS LIKE THE FANS DON’T WANT ME ON THE SHOW” (had to type that in caps so if there was anything you read out of this entire thing, it was this)
All of that wasn’t directed towards you! The point that you still have yet to figure out is i don’t need your suggestions. If I wanted it i would say hey daxter what you think about this. I don’t care about you or other peoples perception of me. I don’t live my life or do the things i do based off of other peoples perceptions. I appreciate your concerns but aint shit changing!
You keep saying because i represent the site and for the sake of the site but last time i checked that is what we have a EDITOR IN CHIEF(EIC) for. His name is Torrence Davis not daxter or anyone else who feels i misrepresent the site. Thats his job not yours! So if you want to be the spokesperson for how a podcast is run or how a site is supposed to be run go get your own. Stop backseat driving and get out and get in the driver seat and get your own shit!
Im in the comment section every fucking day, every fucking day. You tell me what site is going to do that for you? What site is even going to acknowledge that you exist out here? What site is even going to talk shit back to you? What site puts there editors out there for you to get in contact with, play games with etc what other site does this?
I don’t need your praise daxter and if you look at other posts in other comment sections I don’t respond negatively to every one that doesnt like my shit. I respond to those who cant critizise without disrespecting me. So when i say fuck home its a piece of shit that is a fucking object not a fucking person. I also respond to people that try to make it there job to tell me what it is im supposed to be doing like they my damn daddy.
First and fore most I am a grown ass man I do what I want, I’m a gamer and will always be one no matter what I do, and I am a bitbagger and i aint going nowhere! So if you or anyone else can’t handle that shit then you can leave the same way you came in. 2010 is here and Sucka free gaming is on its way so get down or lay down!
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honestly john, i couldnt care less about home, arcade room, or what ever console you prefer, its just the way you convey yourself on the podcast you come across with a bad attitute and its as if your opinion is law, sorry its just the way you come across, other people on the podcast seem to expalin their views differently, and dont cover over so aggressive, i just dont see the need for the attitude.
i dont like wii avatars or xbox avatars or home i find them childish and pointless,but im not screaming they are FUKIN SHIT, i just say i dont like them and i wont use them. its like this comment section, you keep comin back at fans and givin attitute, surely they just disagree with your view ? i mean its ok for you to give your extreme views on the pod cast, fans are just commenting back and giving their view on your comments, you always say you dont give a fuk if people are fan boys so why so many replys, problem is you dont give any constructive criticism, things are just shit or good to you, and you sure cant take constructive criticism.
sorry, i mean look at the comment “cry me a river” im a champion ???
wow so my views are not valid as a fan of this site and podcast, because jon shaw says so, well thanks john
im glad to know your view is more important than mine.
no thats not it at all. You came in here talking like a fed up girlfriend saying im leaving im leaving. So ok are we supposed to stop what we doing because you leaving? NO you want to leave leave.
Holy Shit….im really surprised you (Jon) actually read let alone responded to my last comment which even surprised me how long that was….Major Rep for that! (im actually being serious)
but yeah back to your most recent comment…
1. “The point that you still have yet to figure out is i don’t need your suggestions. If I wanted it i would say hey daxter what you think about this.”
-regardless if you don’t need my suggestion, im still going to put it out there for the sake of it. (remember, you do not have to read nor respond to it) i understand now that your not going to change for anyone but please understand that by me saying that there could be improvement to the show, you are not obliged to respond to it.
the point that you have still yet to figure out is that if you don’t need my comments or suggestions than you don’t need to answer back to them with anything more than “ok”.
2. “last time i checked that is what we have a EDITOR IN CHIEF(EIC) for. His name is Torrence Davis not daxter or anyone else who feels i misrepresent the site. Thats his job not yours!”
-So just because im not the editor of the site means that i can not make suggestions for the show?….. really jon? you seem to have a hard time at keeping the focus on the main question that i keep asking yet i haven’t received a legit answer to which was “why you feel the need to interrupt others” other than “If You don’t like it shut your fucking mouth and talk about games and leave your personal feelings about me out the fucking convo”. if i wanted to take control of the show then i would ask but all i’m trying to understand here is why you feel the need to do what you did. you keep sidestepping the question as if its none of our concern but we continually see it occur in the show…..
3. “Im in the comment section every fucking day, every fucking day. You tell me what site is going to do that for you? What site is even going to acknowledge that you exist out here? What site is even going to talk shit back to you? What site puts there editors out there for you to get in contact with, play games with etc what other site does this?”
-if this is your response to number 8 in my last response than its good hear and see that, but at the same time your not telling me anything that i already don’t know.
4.”I also respond to people that try to make it there job to tell me what it is im supposed to be doing like they my damn daddy.”
-do you have to look at it in that way though? just because i say something like “hey jon, it would be nice if you let people talk without constantly cutting them off” makes me out to be some sort of wannabe father figure? that sounds more like an excuse from someone who doesn’t want to take anyone else’s orders, even when they are not orders but suggestions to improve the flow of the show. Hell, i understand the fact that im not the editor or w/e for the Bitbagg but that doesn’t mean i can’t comment on where i see changes could be added.
now i could say that Torrence is at fault for not controlling the debate but that would be untrue. as i stated above, he stopped it once in order to give you guys both a chance to debate your sides but as soon as HHG started to get to a point you jumped in like it was your turn. (once again, please don’t turn this into a “why are you HHG nuts” thing because i have already established that im not standing up for him but for having a voice on the show that doesn’t get talked over whenever im trying to get my point across)
5. “So if you or anyone else can’t handle that shit then you can leave the same way you came in”
don’t worry, i can handle it (if i couldn’t i would have left a long time ago) im just trying to see if you can actually drop the ego for half a second in order to have a real conversation that doesnt involve “Im a grown ass man and you don’t have to tell me what to do!”. i don’t understand how a simple question or suggestion gets translated into a personal attack thus making me seem like im ordering you or anyone else on the show around. please, explain that.
So once again im going to continue to leave my thoughts. does that mean you have to listen to them? of course not, but do realize that i only leave comments like this because im a fan of the show and i hate to see it go to shit even for a few brief moments.
ok here is the deal and then im done with this. I didn’t tell you you couldn’t post, didnt tell you not to listen. I said if you feel a certain way and can’t deal with it then don’t cry about it. I don’t know how many time I have to say that i don’t do shit to appease fans! I do them because I want to. If you are a fan then you come along for the ride if you not then kick rocks.
You keep saying i always interrupt shit but it seems like this the first time I heard you speak about it. Where were you all the other times? I don’t feel i interrupt shit, hiphop doesnt feel i interrupted shit. Like when I first got on the warzone yes I talked all the time. Last 5 to 6 months I have barely said anything. when i do i say hey can i say something equivalent of saying excuse me! Now sometimes the mics lag and you don’t hear the other person not trying to say that that is what happend this time.
Now like i said not all of it was directed towards you it was for everyone. I replied back so you can see how i felt about the situation. Ok means that i agree with you so no ok is not what im going to post. I posted what i posted so you could see where im coming from if you still can’t see it then ok we just disagree. Now yes you have a right to post didnt say you didnt. but if what you are complaining about is not going to change then why keep bringing it up? I don’t care if everyone in the world agreed with you im still not going to change anything i do. I float on the tune of my own whistle and its always going to be like that.
Now you say why am i getting defensive well lets put it like this if everyday you have people telling you to do this, you should dress like this, you need to talk like this, you need to act like this like a nagging fucking bitch(which i fucking hate)then wouldnt you kinda be a little pissed off. Esp what does the way i act, talk, dress, or present my self have to do with you. If you don’t like it you don’t have to pay attention. Society tells you to be a certain way and just like fucking puppets every one floats along and goes with it and tries to tell every one that doesn’t conform that they are the ones doing it wrong. I say fuck society and fuck conforming. Your feelings towards me, the way i act, the way i dress, etc is on you and is your own issue not mine. (once again this is not all directed towards you)
If you are a fan you are a fan because you like what we do not because you want to change what we do or how we act. take for example if we changed every thing that fans don’t like then what would we be? If one fan wants more debates and arguments then we change that for him, but next week other fans want more news, then the next week people want more console sales talk, then etc etc etc. If Torrence and every one changed every thing they do to appease fans then he wouldnt get shit done, he wouldnt enjoy what he does, and there would be no fucking bitbag.
Take for example im a fan of Tech N9ne, If I was to go to Tech and say hey man you should tone down your music man, like you are scaring people when you talk about god and the devil and you should make more industry favorable hits. You should also slow down on your rapping because some people cant understand you. Hey also don’t rap backwards because people think you are speaking in tongues. He would look at me and say FUCK YOU! I feel Just like that! So now hopefully you and everyone else can get off your this is how its supposed to be done high horse and just listen to the show fast forward what you don’t like, if you on live put your headset down if you don’t like what you hear. This podcast is supposed to be ruff rugged and raw. Its giving you the same shit you going to hear in a game the same type of convo you are going to hear when you talk to people in games. We are not Ign, we are not 1up yours, So no every time you hear the warzone its not going to be organized, its not going to always be done in a professional manner, its not going to be the same boring watered down censored edited bullshit you have floating around the net. THATS WHY WE ARE UNIQUE THATS WHY WE ARE THE FUCKING WARZONE. Everyone in the world is not the same and we aren’t an exception. Yes there are going to be some childish arguments, yes there are going to be some contraversal discussions, yes there are going to be some wtf moments, but guess what thats life and its always going to be like that in life. Thats what makes us different, we are not afraid to just do us and be regular not trying to put on a suit and tie and act like we fucking bigshots. Now if you have a debate with your friends and you are talking having fun and arguing about shit you are passionate about you will find that you will have the same type of arguments that me and hiphop have all the time. Some times you will interrupt each other its no big fucking deal. If you get out your i need to change the show mood and look deep down inside you will see that thats really why you come here. IF not then i don’t know what to tell you but shit aint changing so maybe you should look for another podcast that suits your standards. It aint no love lost just letting you know where Im coming from.