21 Responses to “Gamerchat: Does Kill/Death Ratio Make You A Better Player?”

  • Spencer Thompson says:

    To explain my bitching at Jon I’ll give you the context. Me and jon play a 1 vs 1 match and me not knowing he was going to take a load out that included him having Cold Blooded and a heart beat monitor, I take my usual sniper class that has a heartbeat monitor and radar scrambler. After realizing that he is using this class I am left helpless because none of my load outs have cold blooded, so after him up 5-1 I get fed up of his unfair advantage and quit because we were playing on the sub level and no way with the class that he had did I stand a good chance. I mean he was running around knowing where I am all the time because after you die you respawn close to who killed you so with he’s heartbeat monitor he could find my direction right away and because he had cold blooded I couldn’t counter attack that advantage.Anyway in no way when I was cussing at him on a personal level I just wanted a re-match and usually when you get on jon’s nerves he’ll be down to rumble, but come to find out was HIGH so it didn’t work. Anyway enjoy the crazy read.

    Peace

    • Fragking28 says:

      Man stop the excuses that’s your fucking fault. You talked all that shit, then u choose that dumb ass load-out. Man up, no matter how u try to spin, its like what BILL OREILLY says, ” This is the no spin zone” so all that matters is facts. So based on the chat, the facts say, 1st round- JON, 2nd- TIE, 3rd- JON up 5-1 you quit. You havent at least won one round so I guess what im really trying to say is STFU.(ROFLMAO)

      BEST PART OF CHAT ( JON SHAW FINISHES SPENNY WITH THE LAST LINE)OMG WAY TO FUNNY!

      5:37:03 PM] Spencer Thompson (spennyT): I had A MOTHER FUCKING SNIPER RIFLE AND I WAS MOVINE AROUND THE MAP
      [5:37:06 PM] Spencer Thompson (spennyT): so FUCK YOU
      [5:37:14 PM] Jon Shaw: who’s choice was that to get a sniper rifle
      [5:37:28 PM] Spencer Thompson (spennyT): thats not why I died
      [5:37:36 PM] Jon Shaw: don’t blame me for your mistake
      [5:37:46 PM] Spencer Thompson (spennyT): I died cause you had Cold Blooded and a heart beat sensor
      [5:37:53 PM] Jon Shaw: you died cause i shot you

  • OOG says:

    damn thats some bitchyness right there lol

  • Jon Shaw says:

    Spenny spenny spenny spenny rofl! you still bitching about losing? How is it unfair that I came prepared for war and you just showed up? How is it unfair when I asked before the match started what where the restrictions, you said what you didnt want i didn’t use it. How is it unfair when i let you choose all three maps? How is it unfair that i used tactics while you relied on your stats? How is it unfair when (you lucky the vid is messed up) the heart beat only detects certain distance, and doest show who is behind you, and you will see that most the kills that round came from a distance? Then how is it unfair that we talking about 1 match when i still beat you the first one and then came back and tied it the second one after you camped the whole match on the tower. So you failed to get the job done not once not twice but three times. You failed to get the job done and then you quit after the ass whoopin that was getting handed to you, i counted the kills again it was actually 8-1 when you left sorry thats a ass whoopin for 1vs1.
    Like I said k/d ratio shit don’t matter, if you was better then it would have showed and you would have won. If you was better that last match wouldnt have been the deciding factor. What makes this so bad spenny is i never play 1vs1 ever lol.

  • OOG says:

    Heres how I break down who is a good player…..

    I look at every single stat but heres what ill say for the KDR whores that tor was referring to….

    I look at someones KDR and their Win Ratio because they are big parts…….but… KDR cant just be looked at I do kills per minute…..so also divide your kills by the minutes total you have played…..and that should give you a good idea of who is a good player… to an extent at least…. because if I can have a higher kill ratio and also be killing more people every minute… then most likely i’m a more important asset……

    But this is subjective to the mode you play and I only really consider this method when you are comparing people who mostly play deathmatch/team deathmatch and preferably hardcore… cuz only bitches play normal… lil fyi lol….

  • Jon Shaw says:

    oog even by that logic spenny would still be on top with stats but stats don’t play for you, and don’t prepare you for shit. i feel if you have to look at a persons stats then you already lost.

    • OOG says:

      so true Jon… but it is a decent method to see how good someone is… if someone has a high KDR KPM and Win ratio… they are good lol……usually they are the people who push the game and carry the teams the most

      But I will say some people are way better leaders and team players which is why a 1v1 in this type of game is pointless…. because it all comes down to how you can control a real game not a 1v1.

  • Fragking28 says:

    Aww is somebody mad he got exposed! Lmao, u always claim to be the shit and u got fucked up, Jon this shit is driving him crazy lol.

  • Fragking28 says:

    Jon u need to get that video working, cause even though hes going to say he’s not mad, you know he is mad as shit. lol

  • Jon Shaw says:

    ahhh shit sombody is getting real upset somebody is erasing posts? Would that somebody be you spenny?

    Frag the vid wasnt recorded right i used my camera but didn’t set the settings right so on the last two maps the daylight in the map whited out on the camera so you cant see too much. but now that somebody is delusional and is erasing posts im going to post the vid anyway regardless of the quality! Then we can really see who was camping cause i was all over the place, lol.

  • tarantula45 says:

    i hope you guys battle this topic out on the warzone

  • LordOfAllGeeks says:

    I love how spenny tried to simplify the fact that k/d ratio means everything….then when he looses he tries to get “technical” on why he lost.

    Jon Shaw just proved why k/d ratio don’t mean shit…and Spenny showed us how he keeps his precious k/d ratio so high…when ever he is getting his ass handed to him, he quits…..I guess its just fun padding k/d ratio sniping/(camping) vs. noobs

    I shook my head, when he said, Jon Shaw had an unfair advantage…..yeah his advantage was that he was just plain out BETTER, and isn’t a noob even though his k/d ratio isn’t impressive.

    Keep owning them Jon.

    • Spencer Thompson says:

      You don’t know what truly happened you didn’t see it, Don’t assume I camp cause my MW2 game is unknown to you. I want to re-match him now that I know his style, but he refused. So its whatever. I can’t wait for the re-match.

  • commander says:

    call of duty is a noob friendly game. However, other games that take skill such as socom kd ratio seperates good players and bad players.

    • OOG says:

      in some ways… you can also sit back and never win games on socom and have a good K/D because you hide behind a wall and get kills instead of doing objectives…. just sayn lol its the same for all games

  • MattOG711 says:

    I’m sorry, but I read about half of both chats and Spenny just needed to STFU about it already. Calling people noobs over and over again, and telling Torrence to STFU just because he isn’t some god at MW2 is childish. I don’t know Spenny,so I can’t judge him but it seems like he got what he deserved when it came to Jon kicking his ass because he talked too much shit.

  • jthamind1 says:

    “[5:37:46 PM] Spencer Thompson (spennyT): I died cause you had Cold Blooded and a heart beat sensor
    [5:37:53 PM] Jon Shaw: you died cause i shot you”

    best comeback ever.

  • Sajmon says:

    Being a good player is not equivalent with having a good ratio. However, it’s true that good players generally has a good ratio, but NOT ALWAYS.

    I’ve been playing among Sweden’s best players since Call of Duty 1, and I know from experience, that the ratio is not the best indicator. Since only one counter example is needed to prove that the question is wrong I will give you a good one from a tournament we won last year I think.

    It site put up a tournament and a couple of old timers from the site’s clan 2004-2006 i think formed a team. We won, but the most valueable player in our team was, in my opinion, the player who finished last in our team almost every map. Want to know why? He was a great team leader, good with communication, kept us calm, made us play better. It was me and a friend who has been playing in Sweden’s top 3 clans who got the best ratios, but the leader was more important.

    There are so many factors that decide the ratio, the players, the maps, the gametype, how much you camp. And there are lots of qualities the ratio does not show, e.g. how good you are at defusing the bomb in certain situations.

    However, at ratio under 1….or 2… is pretty low ;D

  • hawkie007 says:

    In a casual friendly shooter on a console like MW2 K/D doesn’t mean anything to anyone who actually understands FPS’s. The game has so many unbalanced features (made to appeal to casual players) that you can get no feeling how skilled someone is based on the leaderboards and stats and effectively they mean nothing.
    Camp for a few kills and use KS stacking to boost your stats (Chopper Gunner anyone?) or even stat pad with a few friends, shitloads of people did that in MW and even more will be doing that in MW2.

    Even Spenny more or less stated how unbalanced the game is himself because he couldn’t deal with Jon’s build. I thought after getting pounded (and yes 8:1 is a pounding in anyone’s books) the unbalanced nature of “vanilla” MW2 would be clear to Spenny.

    In the more serious shooters (CS or even when running ProMod on MW for example) yes the K/D could be taken as more of indicator as to someone’s level of skill because the game itself was/is balanced for competitive play but for MW2 it’s a joke.

    Personally I’ve played in numerous top FPS clans over the years (some sponsored) and the fact is most of the time the stats only reflect how well your team (in general) played and how effective your tactics were. At the same time I’ve been in teams where we all had negative K/D’s and still won the match even in serious tournaments. Remember the game is not just about killing people it’s about winning by whatever means possible and sometimes that means sacrificing yourself in a particular role in order to win.

    The whole argument here though was in reference to dealing with Publics and that is an argument that isn’t even worth having. Seriously, comparing MW2 K/D’s to a serious shooter K/D’s is like comparing crazy golf to the US Masters.(Btw I currently have a K/D just over 4.0, without stat padding and that’s not because I’m amazingly “skilled” at MW2 but simply because I know how to “play” the game which is something else entirely).

  • shazjabotlex says:

    I can give a perfect example of how a Kill/death ratio does not mean shit. In the LAN party I was at, I used the living fuck out of the damn riot shield, just to see how far I could go with it. I did not get any kills at all in a domination match. I may have got like 3 or 4 kills, but I was owning shit by using just the shield and getting objectives. I was actually getting points, rewards, and achievements for doing that shit. I got some kind of weird achievement for crushing 5 people to death with the shield, because I used this strategy for more than one match. I forget what the reward was called, but I also got something for causing a distraction for my team by walking out in the middle of nowhere with the shield. Fools were actually getting mad at me, because this strategy was new and they really did not know how to effectively stop me. They started getting butt hurt and started yelling that shit was unfair.

    but like jon stated in the last warzone podcast:
    everything in Modern Warfare 2 has some kind of counteract to it.

    So what happens in my beloved strategy? It finally got counteracted, because I used it too much like a dirty whorebag. I wore the shit out it until someone found out that a good grenade basketball-esque toss or a shot to my feet would get me.

    But, the whole point is, in which I proved at this LAN party, is that someone having more deaths than kills, does NOT necessarily mean that they are a shittier player. That could very well mean that they are more of a sacrificing player for the team and still get points and rewards for doing so. Having less deaths could very well mean that you can ice skate like a freaking faggot more often than others.

    Look at World War 2. the real shit, not video games. The Japanese kill/death ratio was a WHOLE lot worse than the Americans/Allies. They used numerous Kamikaze pilots to fuck up U.S. warships and/or other targets. They also sacrificed their own men for various other things as well. YET they ALMOST won the fucking war for their side of WW2. I say “their side” because they made an agreement with hitler; hitler would take europe, Japan would take Asia and rename it the The Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere; it was their end of the bargain so-to-speak. They were only a few months away from creating their own nuclear bomb, if it wasn’t for the U.S. dropping bombs like hiroshima. That was a famous rap lyric. It actually goes like “I drop bombs like hiroshima.”

    I am so glad that this game allows you to get rewarded for “taking one for the team”! It changes the whole mindset and mentality of the game. You have to take yourself out of the COD 4 paradigm and basically develop a brand spanking new strategy. Right now you are not realizing this, because everyone and their mother are still in the COD 4 paradigm, but some other team out there will really discover the true meaning of modern warfare 2 and start owning everyone else. Changing one’s habits are hard, but taking slow and incremental steps will get you on the road to that gamer’s paradise that you so desire to be in.

    Again I refer back to this LAN party. One guy that was there saw that I was using the shield was attempting to convince others to use one just like me. In domination, 2 players using shield to defend a single domination object would have been killer. He did not want to do it, because he was one of the better shooter guys in the game. But NO ONE in the room listened, because they brought their COD 4 paradigm with them and really did not get out of it. The guy sitting next to me, who was also on my same team, saw what I was doing and it finally clicked in his head to start walking behind me as we both start heading toward the next domination point.

    I believe jon got slightly more out of the paradigm much earlier than everyone else. That is probably why spenny was so angry. Hell, I’d be angry too if I was still in the COD 4 mindset and paradigm. But you can’t be angry. Evolve your combat and become combat evolved. The game has changed. You must change with it. Don’t hate the playa, hate the motherfucking GAME!

    And thank you jon for proving to Bit Torrence that thermal scopes can be beat. I believe that Tor’s opinion of this new tool, that it’s for noobies, was a fictional excuse created by him to make him feel more superior in a losing battle. LOL! He is probably thinking this right now:

    Hmmmm. I just saw that last killcam. It was black and white with my hot body sticking out like a sore thumb. Well…..Hmmmm…… I will not count that death in my imaginary Kill/Death ratio because it was done by a noobie… hmmmmmm I like boobies……. yeah boobies are good…. I have a hot body… It looks sooo good with water glistening all over it…… I like being on top…..Makes me feel like a porno king….. Ahhhhhhhhh… I feel better now.

    LOL!

    My friend played with me in a private room in COD 4 where the dudes did nothing but hardcore mode for every map. He believes hardcore mode is for suckers and snipers. My friend hates snipers. He believes that these guys are the bitches and not him for leaving every other game. He had asked one dude why hardcore mode so much. they responded that because it’s more like real life. You can get killed by 1 shot from a 9 mm pistol from 1000 yards away. My friend responded, ” This shit ain’t real life. It’s a fucking video game!” He then left the room 10 min later.

    POINT:
    Don’t take this shit too seriously. It’s a fucking video game.

    Take in this famous quote made by Dr. Dre in a hip hop documentary called “The Show”:
    “It’s Entertainment”

    Do not allow yourself to get evercracked on this game?

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