On today’s show we once again tackle the native 1080p argument. I stress my points as to why it shouldn’t matter to gamers if it’s native or upscaled. Preference is one thing, but if resolution isn’t stopping us from purchasing certain games, does it really matter? Also on this show:
* How to achieve N4G happiness (Torrence)
* Red Faction impressions (Torrence)
* Brink impressions (Hiphopgamer & Torrence)
* Quantum impressions (Hiphopgamer)
* G4TV possibly coming off the air (Hiphopgamer)
* And much much more…
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yes! up early today,i usually see it on sundays
I am just going by the headline, why Davis can’t let go of the 1080P stuff lol. I respect you opinion but that shit matters homie, no it doesn’t make the experience of the programmed coded better or anything like that. But the issue is when devs try to say their game are 1080p when they are not, Forza 3 is not 1080p 60fps it will run at 1080P because of the upscaler on the 360 but don’t fool yourself you’re watching 720p upscaled, so that guy needed to say it supported 1080P and this whole issue would had never gone this far.
i agree with you Torrence just cant help himself forza defense team
haha look at what that lifendz kid posted on n4g “It may not be sponsored by MS but Tor is certainly doing his best to get some MS sponsorship. Most of the guys on this show are big MS fanboys. Constant Sony bashing, guys that don’t know more than N4G tells them stating it’s too late for Sony to do whatever, and one guy that can’t express himself w/o using the F word every other sentence. I had high hopes for the show but I don’t like the direction its taken. I guess fanboy fodder gets hits/subscribers but not me.” I knew he was a ps3 fanshitter great show guys
Getting mentioned on sites before I even comment. That’s whats up. But you might want to jump off my d!ck long enough to realize that several people here are accusing Tor of being the MS defense force.
this podcast is sponsored by Mr Windows 7 himself Torrence Davis good show just having fun
Whats good playas! It’s Sir-G from truegameheadz.com Just wanted to give a shout to Hip Hop Gamer! We met each other Monday night at the Destructiod party (which was pretty dope). It was cool meeting you bra. Sorry to hear about you losing the tapes, but it’s all good. you just keep doing your thing. Big ups to the BitBag crew as well. p.s. E3 was pretty tight although big as hell (which is a good thing).
people don’t like HHG cause he a trash talker, who likes a trash talker? He started talking trash to random n4g people and ign, he talks about people hating but he hating on ign and gamespot.. But I understand why people hate.. people always hate on the better and best, like everyone hates on ps3 and every1 hates on ign because they are the best…. just take the hate and stfu, then people will back off u.
yo erlfly u betta holla at me mane we played uncharted to beta together mane wit donminican ninja!!!!!
sorry i mean uncharted 2 beta not to lol i was a little messed up at the time
@NyPrince, I’m not a hater, I tell it like it is & back it up with some factual information. Answere this, why is the PS3 the best when its in 3rd place? @Torrence & TheBitbag, Thanks, Loading now.
Answer this So is the wii the best because its in 1st place
come on erlfly whenever u wanna get on this uncharted 2 beta
Plus all this talk about 1080p GT-5 is only going to be 1280 x 1080 not 1920 x 1080. Regardless which game you go with anyway it doesn’t matter your becuase if your display is 1920 x 1080p BOTH games are going to upconvert to them. So the arguement is a waste overall since they both are not true 1920 x 1080p in the first place since alot of folks love qouting what is TRUE 1080p
Keep in mind the PS3 has no upscaler chip, if a game boots up automatically to 1920x1080p but the game isn’t 1920x1080p(aka 1280x1080p), it means the default resolution is not [1280x720p] like Forza 3. But it is actually [1280x1080p] like GTP, now look at those two resolutions and realize that their is a difference between them. But again, that Forza guy just needed to be up front and say the game is actually 1280x720p and not try to lie about it being 1920x1080p, the default resolution for his game is not even close to that, is not even 1280x1080p lol, they took an L for over doing their cocky talk and ending up looking foolish, then these lames added to the lost by bribing people on a Cnet vote and still lost lol.
Your first sentence and already you’ve made a mistake… The PS3 has no hardware upscaler you say? In 2007, Sony released a SDK enabling horizontal upscaling from 960×1080, 1280×1080, 1440×1080 and 1600×1080 to 1920×1080. The main difference between the PS3 & X360 upscalers is that the latter also has a vertical upscaling facility available.
This all steamed from NATIVE, not really sure if you were aware of that. It’s all about NATIVE resolutions. Like when Hip Hop was saying Call of Duty 5 was 1080p native, i already said in the Warzone chat that he was wrong and that it gets upscaled to that. It’s native resolution is 600p. Same with GT5 Prologue it’s native resolution is 1080. 1440×1080 is also 1080 it’s all about the horizontal scan lines p/i is just refers to how moving images are transmitted. It’s like arguing 1080i isn’t 1080….
School them all Da_Dios
Chill, don’t jump to conclusions. We haven’t seen GT5 gold build and seen whats up with it. You’re making a very big mistake by trying to judge GTP like if that is GT5 son, lets wait until GT5 comes out and then we will see the fact of the matter regarding GT5′s final specs.
Your absolutly right on that too. This is based on GT P and the final game could be 1920 1080p, 1280 x 1080p or 720p for all we know. Yes he should have been honest but I really don’t care what resolution either of the games are at as long as they look good in my eyes I couldn’t care less.
Ah more Forza 3 damage control eh? I’ll give it the usual listen. Here’s the difference. Take a CG movie like Cars, Final Fantasy VII Advent Children/Complete, or Resident Evil Degeneration. Get the movie on both Blu-Ray and DVD. (If any of you have the Devil May Cry anime on DVD you can try the challenge this August when the Blu-Ray version drops.)Make sure you have a PLAYSTATION 3. and HDTV (1080p is preferred for this experiment) and an HDMI cable (highly preferred for this experiment). Play the DVD first then the Blu-Ray. The PS3 will UPSCALE the DVD to 1080p. The PS3 will play the Blu-Ray NATIVE in 1080p. See the difference. That’s the difference between UPSCALE and NATIVE. How can the 360 do “native” 1080p IF 1080p wasn’t available NATIVE to the Xbox 360 from it’s launch window started on November 22, 2005 to the Fall Update back in ’06. The first game on the 360 to do 1080 which from here on out I will coin the term 1080b (1080 bullshit) was UbiSoft’s Tom Clancy Splinter Cell Double Agent. Yeah. If the game is good then resolution doesn’t matter. I’m bout Days of Memories 3 on the DS. Never heard of it? Hmmm. Think about it.
DVD’s upscale from 480, Xbox games upscale from 600p. Most Xbox and PS3 games upscale from 720p. The difference between a 480 upscale and a 720 upscale is HUGE. Nice try to convince the masses to experiment with LOW RESOLUTION media, but it doesn’t work that way with the games we are talking about. So if you really want to see the difference you’ll need a PS3 OR a 360. There are only a few native 1080p 360 disc games, but many Xbox Live arcade games are 1080p native. Your best bet is to take a KNOWN 720p native game and set your system up for 720p only. Turn off 1080p. This can be done on both the PS3 and 360. After running the game in 720p, turn on 1080p so it will upscale the image. What you MAY notice, depending on the size of your tv, is that the 1080p looks a little sharper. Now tell me, does it matter? I already explained why it SHOULDN’T matter and people are still posting nonsense. I’ll say it one more time! If you still buy games that aren’t 1080p native then it really doesn’t matter. Yes, 1080p native is nice and we can sit back and caress our consoles and appreciate games that run in that resolution. Still, it doesn’t matter to us because it doesn’t affect our buying decisions. When someone makes a post that says they don’t buy any games that aren’t 1080p native, we can all agree that it matters to that person. Matter: noun Importance or significance If it’s important or significant that your games are native 1080p, what are you doing about it? If you are doing nothing, then it’s not important or significant to your gaming. If it mattered to me, I’d probably own about 5 games across consoles and do most of my gaming on the PC. And with this last rebuttal on the subject, I’m done with it.
You should have been done with it last week. Reviving the topic will only cause further rebuttals. We already expressed that there is a difference between the two and our closing agreement on the topic was in the end that if it’s a good game it shouldn’t matter. Now just how i was asking you to leave the fanboys alone, i’m asking you to leave this alone. Honestly there’s nothing more to say about it. There are way too many confused people out there to further debate this. Some of the people debating this topic are looking on the back of their 360 game box and assume that 1080 their seeing is native when it’s not. Truth be told their are over 30+ games that have NATIVE 1080p resolutions on the PS3 and honestly the last time i checked it was around 5 for the 360 with 3 of them being XBL games. There isn’t anything wrong with upscalling BUT it should be disheartening for ANYONE whether Producer, Developer, Publisher or Fan to tout a game at 1080 Native when it’s not. Being Native whether no one wants to admit it or not is a selling point and to falsely advertise that is wrong. If it was such a easy feat to accomplish EVERY game developer/publisher would do it. There are reasons why lots of games do 60FPS but only go to 720p native, we should reserve extra praise for those who actually accomplish this feat. There should be no more to talk about on this issue…
QUOTE : “Truth be told their are over 30+ games that have NATIVE 1080p resolutions on the PS3 and honestly the last time i checked it was around 5 for the 360 with 3 of them being XBL games.” LOL. Truth be told you don’t know what you are talking about. 30+ PS3 games you say? Only 5 X360 games you say? LOL. There are rebuttals because most of the comments being made are wrong. Whoever it was on the show this week saying their TV displays the game’s native resolution – is wrong. There is NO WAY any TV can know that. It’s ludicrous to even suggest it. The only thing I agree with is that this thread has to stop. It has to stop because none of you know the facts and you’re all wasting each other’s time. You might as well be arguing over how many beans there are in a jar.
You crack me up. Okay you say i don’t know what im talking about, can you tell me the NATIVE 1080 games for both systems? I’ll include XBL and PSN: Xbox 360 Boogie Bunnies [Xbox Live Arcade] Feeding Frenzy 2 [Xbox Live Arcade] Portal [Xbox Live Arcade] Street Home Court Virtual Tennis 3 Wolf of the Battlefield Commando 3 [Xbox Live Arcade] PS3 All Pro Football 2K7 Blast Factor [PSN] Calling All Cars [PSN] College Hoops 2K7 The Darkness Fantastic Four Rise of the Silver Surfer Flow [PSN] Full Auto 2 Battlines Harry Potter High Stakes on the Vegas Strip: Poker Edition [PSN] LocoRoco Cocoreccho! [PSN] Marvel Ultimate Alliance Mesmerize: Distort MLB The Show 07 MLB The Show 08 MLB The Show 09 NBA ‘07 NBA ‘08 NB2K7 NB2K8 Ninja Gaiden Sigma Pirates of the Carribean PixelJunk Eden [PSN] PixelJunk Monsters [PSN] PixelJunk Racers [PSN] Piyotama [PSN] Street Home Court Super Stardust HD [PSN] Transformers The Movie Tekken 5: Dark Resurrection [PSN] Virtua Tennis 3 You beg to differ prove it. Otherwise prove me with factual evidence that im wrong rather then typing away…
I posted BEFORE listening to your podcast. I’m done now. I like how you you’re telling me nice try, yet on the podcast you enforced a comment about how a guy stated that God of War can be considered a 1080p title because the PS3 UPSCALES the resolution to 1080p via HDMI. The issue is Microsoft’s rhetoric about 1080p and etc. First 720p is the sweet spot because 1080p was nonexistent from the platform launch on November 22, 2005 until the Fall ’06 Update in October 2006. Come on with the damage control. Forza 3 now has Le Mans 24. Wonder what “inspired” them to do acquire that license? The answer starts with the 7th letter in the alphabet.
QUOTE “How can the 360 do “native†1080p IF 1080p wasn’t available NATIVE to the Xbox 360 from it’s launch” LOL. Your logic is flawed.
Da dios most of those games you mentioned are multiplat and are ports from the 360 version so why if they are port in a different resolution then the 360 one which was the main one they developed. Also did you get those games from http://www.makeyougohmm.com/ps3-1080p-games/ If so they are dumbasses read there mission statement:Notes - All titles have been checked as being 1080p compatible firsthand by the back of the game box and/or by owning/playing the game at 1080p resolution. Unlike what is happening on the Xbox 360 game boxes, Sony doesn’t advertise 1080p on the back of game boxes unless it is a truly native 1080p title. A good example of this is the game Warhawk where in the Playstation Store they say it scales “up to 1080p†not that it is native 1080p. The Xbox 360 list of games advertised on game boxes is longer, but there are a small few number of native 1080p titles on the Xbox 360. What a load of bullshit all my ps3 games say 1080p on the back and I know there not 1080p native.
Yes Spencer most of that list came from the site you listed and they were tested. The older titles such as the NBA games support 1080 on the PS3 but before the 360 update which allowed the upscalling to 1080 those games only ran at 720. Also Spenny NOT all PS3 games are listed as 1080 such as Uncharted and RE5 is an example where the game is runs 720p (PS3 box says 720p only) but the 360 box says 1080p. Spenny what you also haven’t noticed is unlike the 360 that site has the author confirmed with majority of the publishers about their supported resolutions for the games on that list. Some of those games have been maximized in 720p but has included support for 1080 resolution NOT upscalled. It’s totally dependant on you connection. The PS3 doesn’t upscale everything like the 360 where as with the PS3 more times than not when you pop in a game on some HD TV’s you may think your PS3 is upscalling your game but really it’s your TV trying to support the Resolution you’ve set it to.
Ha-ha. What a load of rubbish.
Damn dude i don’t mind being disagreed with but if your going to do so at least state something with reason. You just seem to find it hard to believe that what i wrote is right other then telling me why im wrong… I could just as easily say your wrong but that’s childish or petty. When i disagree i tend to explain why. Are looking for time to Wiki or do a quick google search? I’ll wait…
Haipa-Sonikku is my PSN ID. Come on. Let’s talk. The future doesn’t look promising for you though if you really want/need to debate me on this.
LOL The last time when you told someone to enter the Dojo! I couldn’t stop laughing my ass off that shit really had me rolling.
Torrance, ur a fucking retard… Uncharted is most likely gonna be 720p and i can’t fucking wait for that game. Saying that it matters, doesn’t mean u won’t buy anything else, it just means that u will appreciate the sharper hi res of the 1080 native game. what the fuck is wrong with you? By ur logic, we should have stopped at 480i, because we were all still buying games and it didn’t “matter” to us back then, do u even think through these stupid arguments? shit!! lol
If you wanna know who the real retard is, look at Gameraxis’ posting history.
lol funny tor
I have to say this Tor, as much as I like you ,I just couldn’t stand you last week ,I hated your attitude, you started all this fuzz just to defend Turn 10 Dev, good thing one guy shut you up, you did not hold your ground, I’ll give that you know a lot of things but you don’t know everything, I just don’t know why you keep bringing this up again and again, did it hurt you when people called them lairs, because they did lie Deal with it 1080P is better then 1080P upscaled, don’t say they look the same because they don’t and you can tell, Go to a kid and say this to him he might believe you Anyway, Graphics will not hold me from buying games as long as the gameplay is good, BE COOL next time ,these are your fans you were talking to last week, and they were listening live to the show, there ARE NOT Morgan who I My self hate and cant stand Take care
i never cared for 1080,if you have the tv it doesn’t make much of a difference unless its a huge tv but still even then it’s not that difference in looks.It just depends on the games graphics itself.
One more thing, this show became like this, HHG vs. Tor, Jon Shaw and brain basher (what ever his name).
Uhmm Jon wasn’t there :O
HOLY SHIT! I just noticed you changed your avatar Spenny. Good move.
And then it was back…. Damn you Spenny!
I am not talking about this show, I am just saying in general, I have yet to listen to this show and see what Tor has to say
Just in case you hadn’t figured it out, Torrence is ghost writing the “vs hiphop” topics. Although Torrence is a Fanboy, part of it is intentional for the purposes of entertainment or “heated debates”. So to aid in a poor attempt at keeping himself undercover, he suggests and/or specifically gives the bitbaggers topics (not just Jon Shaw).
Wow torrence is right mane let it rest.
the last 2 warzones were terrible. fanboys are taking over the whole entire industry its sad. i love how torrence always gets on playstation fanboys but he doesnt say shit about an xbox fanboy it cracks me up.i like how he defends a 360 dev but when a ps3 dev says there game cant run on 360 he goes nuts lol.all that shit shouldnt matter who cares about that shit just play the games. if you are a fanboy just admit it its ok you dont need to be undercover wit it lol. I perfer a ps3 over 360 but im not ashamed to admit it fanboys just come clean and admit it lol. when torrence said that all the people who played GT have played forza wtf how do you know that.
lol look at my post history, way to deflect, i just won’t contradict the mighty torrance anymore, in all honesty none of this matters but damn these arguments over the stupidest shit just makes me wanna respond… and i can see a few people that agree but whatever. …I’ll stop being a dick on the forums, really, but please for my entertainment sake lol, try to start discussions that have some real density…
i heard that GT thats on the psp will have over 800 cars and forza 3 has 400 wtf
GT5 will have a million(1,000,000) cars in the game forza will only have 400 (lol)
lol buc, that is pretty funny, i just hope GT5, can bring it with some customization to compare with forza’s… i’m getting GT regardless between then two, but racing with a car u can call ur own is fun as fuck
lol buc, that is pretty funny, i just hope GT5, can bring it with some customization to compare with forza’s… i’m getting GT regardless between the two, but racing with a car u can call ur own is fun as fuck
my bad
The reason I brought the issue up was because of the emails I got from Lord Von PS3 and Nicolas Li last week. Everyone thinks my whole point was to say they looked the same. My point was it doesn’t matter. That’s the only point I was trying to prove. The dev didn’t lie. We cleared that last week. He said it runs in 1080p, not 1080p native. If he said native, he’d be lying. This is the Warzone. It’s about console wars. This includes 360 vs PS3 vs Wii and everything in between. It’s about debating which games are the best, what new features will shine on each system, system sales trends and everything in between. This is what the show is about. There will always be debates and arguments. I think this whole 1080p thing was GREAT because a lot of people, including myself, learned something. When I see someone post an invalid fact such as, “The Turn 10 dev lied”, I have to correct it. The info MS puts on the boxes is there for people to know what resolutions the game will run at. It’s not to inform us what the native resolution is. The boxes also tell us that the game will run in 1080i. You’ve seen it right? HDTV 720p/1080i/1080p listed on the back of every Xbox game. This is to let people know that all HDTV’s are supported. You have to be a geek or a hardcore gamer to find what the native resolutions are. I would have never known COD4 was 640 if it weren’t for pixel counters. And even when they discovered it, it didn’t matter to me as I think COD4 is one of the best games of this generation. I hope you understand what we are trying to accomplish with the Video Game Warzone. It’s the nature of the show that made it popular. If we take out the debates and arguments, it would become boring and less colorful. It’s about real gamers and what real gamers talk about. Remember this all started from a debate me and HHG had on skype one night. After the debate was over I said, “Man, that was a great debate. I should have fucking recorded it! People would have loved it! Wait a minute…” Peace, T
“He said it runs in 1080p, not 1080p native. If he said native, he’d be lying.” Tor ,In the industry when you give a resolution to the media ,it means NAITIVE ,not UPSCALED ,don’t try to spin it in their favor, putting a label on a cover is deferent from saying it your self, it is like asking someone ,what is the temperature today ,he says 100,imdeditly you will think 100F not C, because USA use F, you see what I’m trying to say here, “When I see someone post an invalid fact such as, “The Turn 10 dev liedâ€, I have to correct it.” You don’t need to correct anybody, because they DID LIE, “I hope you understand what we are trying to accomplish with the Video Game Warzone. It’s the nature of the show that made it popular. If we take out the debates and arguments, it would become boring and less colorful.”, Tor I have no problems when you guys debate, MY only complain is your attitude last week, if it weren’t for that ,I think you wouldn’t see all this people calling you names, I love the WZ because you guys Debate, As I said I like you and I like this site, Keep the good work; we are waiting for DD, Thank you and sorry If I said anything wrong in my post, respect is a key thing
Agreed for the most part. The game box terminology used is consistent, although many find it misleading & seemingly prefer not to try and understand. Wheeled Warriors explode into battle! I like when developers state the native resolution, but it’s only usually when they have something to boast about (i.e. TRUE 1080p HD – and by that I mean – 1920×1080). Pixel counters usually reveal the native resolution. I think there should be room for stating the native resolution somewhere, but probably not on the back of a box. Developers aren’t in a habit of telling a falsehood – but then there’s no expectation on them to reveal everything either. As Captain Picard once said “You told the truth up to a point. But a lie of omission is still a lie.” To say it isn’t possible to tell the difference between native 1080p and an upscaled resolution is where *I* call you out Torrence, but do continue to put idiots in their place. At least I know where you’re coming from. QUOTE: “You have to be a geek or a hardcore gamer to find what the native resolutions are. I would have never known COD4 was 640 if it weren’t for pixel counters.” 1024×600, 2xAA. The price of 60fps?
QUOTE: “I hope you understand what we are trying to accomplish with the Video Game Warzone. It’s the nature of the show that made it popular. If we take out the debates and arguments, it would become boring and less colorful.” Keep it coming… I like to laugh. Peace.
yea, i suppose.. I’m all for comparing systems and shit.. i just think its hard to separate normal debate from rabid fanboy rant once that line is crossed. and its just my insignificant opinion that tonight was one of those nights where some of us couldn’t tell if it was a rant, or debate… either way, since the warzone is about “raw” debating, and the forums are an extention of that… u can see where my ability to sugar coat my opinion gets lost lol. and its just that reason that the comment section attracts such negative expressions. thats all i’m saying… none the less, keep it up the good work on the site. i’m liking the new look, way easier to navigate!
Torrence are you crazy ? Didnt Da_dios smack you upside the head last week in front of everybody ? that must have hurt the ego. I know what happened he didnt like it went home eresearcheed on the subject and came on looking for revenge.Torrence its hard to believe it but you are not always right. I know you love your racers and your 360 but damn let it go. Forza dudes lied they bad mouth the competition when it isnt even out yet and you sided with them, now take the Loss like a man.
Please read my previous post. You are a Bosstownian. You are smarter than that. People think Da_Dios pwned me because I calmed down after he got on. Listen again. We were actually in agreement. But anyways, listen to the part where I talk about what Nicholas Li told me. I didn’t do any research this week. I don’t think I’m always right, I just fight until I’m proven wrong.
for once admit it, you got pwned. although you “think” you weaseled you way out… the votes were already counted.
1080p native doesnt matter to me at all. Ive noticed that games that are 720p/60fps always look better and have a better framerate. If you are buying games based on resolutions you are no longer a gamer. You are a videophile plain and simple. 1080p Native is overkill when HDTVs are still coveted by many people.
Tor here’s some topics for the next Warzone! Lost Planet 2 comfirmed day and date EU/US released date for 360/PS3. This Winter??? Capcom failed to give out a hard release date do you think they’re scared and are cautious in order to not get lost in the holiday shuffle? I have to give props to Joystiq on this, really good question in which they wrote an article on: http://www.joystiq.com/2009/06/11/microsoft-responds-to-increased-price-for-halo-3-odst/ Bungie Reps were quoted saying the following about Halo: ODST “We do not view this as a $60 title,” “I think this is going to be a good value and a lot of content but we’re not viewing this as sort of a full game release in the sense of Halo 3.” Retailers have the game currently at $60 and gamestop with their $99 Premium pack. When contacted the Microsoft rep said this: “At the time of those statements, the overall scope of Halo 3: ODST was not yet finalized, and since then the project has grown increasingly more ambitious. We believe this standalone experience is much more than just an expansion. Halo 3: ODST provides a new campaign from the point of view of an entirely new character. Combine that with three new multiplayer maps, the entirely new cooperative mode called Firefight, and the complete Halo 3 multiplayer collection on a standalone disc, we feel this is a good value and tremendous addition to the Halo franchise.” Now if you already own Halo 3 you gain nothing with the multiplayer maps as you already own that content from Halo 3. So really all your paying for is the stand alone campaign and the co-op firefight mode. We can’t say that this isn’t worth $60 right now until we play it BUT i would like to hear the bitbaggers thoughts and opinions on this. Developer Wars! HipHop is gonna love this one. With everyone focusing on Turn 10 trying to take shots at Polyphony Digital, EA dished out it’s own jabs… but at Turn 10. EA came right out saying “I’m very confident we have a better game than them to be honest. Talking to the press, looking at the nominations, that’s clear. So, I’m glad that they’re confident but I’m as confident as they are.†With both games dropping this year we’ll see just who has the better game between the two. Last week EA’s SVP Patrick Soderlund stated “we’ve maxed out the 360 but we haven’t maxed out the PS3.” The above quote was proceeded with: “Sony has a lot of good games this year. If you go to their booth, there’s a very consistent, high quality product line-up and that will help them. I do think that we’ll see developers inside the organisation getting to understand the PS3 better and I think that we’re getting more power out of PS3 right now… Now Criterions Richard Parr thought that statement was a bit silly saying: “That’s proof that you’re not the best,” and saying it’s just proof you’ve run out of ideas. They also added “You always find new ways to do things, the constraints lift. Not just with a new console generation but with every game you do,” “Whether it’s a sequel or whether it’s a new game, you learn to do things differently… better. The constraints go away because you learn. While it’s nice to say you’ve maxed something out, there’s not really any point.” Damn dudes aren’t holding ant punches back. Also i haven’t listened to the rest of the warzone yet but i was wondering if a discussion on what was going on at the official Forza 3 forums took place: http://forums.forzamotorsport.net/forums/thread/2631203.aspx The community manager over at the forums was offering free in-game content for people who showed they voted for Forza 3 in the Cnet GT5 vs Forza 3 poll. It was so bad that cnet actually CLOSED the poll because of this: Editor’s note: After numerous complaints of cheating and in-game content being offered as payment for votes, I’ve decided to close the poll. Way to ruin the fun for the rest of us, guys. The poll closed: Gran Turismo 5 52% (15731 votes) Forza Motorsport 3 48% (14530 votes) Now the poll doesn’t prove anything but here’s my question. How do you and the bitbaggers view this? Another PR stunt by Turn 10 to try to one-up GT5 and Polyphony or just a forum trying to get it’s members to show their support and enthusiasm for an unreleased game? There are multiple replies in the thread stating that they in fact have received cars for their votes. Whats your take on this? I wouldn’t really call it a bribe but honestly i think it’s sad to reduce the hype of your game to pure fanboys. Essentially that’s what they’ve done, at least in the official forums. They gathered all the Forza fanboys to bring down GT 5 and the GT 5 fanboys responded. Which is sadder, The fact that there is MORE GT5 fanboys then Forza 3 fanboys? OR Turn 10 gave some codes out to their community managers to share in an attempt to overcome GT 5 in a fanboy poll and still lost? Interesting shit indeed. P.S The fuck Tor, Bosstownian? Did you mean Bostonian or is that some gay commonwealth bullshit you guys speak up there in beantown, LOL. For a place called beantown primarily because of it’s history, Boston baked beans are something of a rarity in Boston.
I’m just going to comment on the poll. They indeed did lose but Cnet did close the poll early. Man I wouldn’t be suprised if a GT forum did kinda the same thing like the forza people and rallied up the troops. Anyway its a situation where you laugh and move on imo. Fanboys will be Fanboys.
I wouldn’t be surprised either if that indeed happened but im pretty sure it would have weasled it’s way on the cesspool that is N4G as a “HOT” story. It could have also been response from GT fanboys hearing about the Forza 3 forum deal and they decided to rain on the parade.
its because of the beans, that all us Bostonians are full of hot air… (see what i did there? lol)
hey spenny T, how does it feel to be laughed at from everyone on the show? maybe you will mellow down in the comments section from now on, i noticed yo abusing people on here in the comments section from time to time with all of your swearing.
What are you talking about?
Good show love these guys.
@Lordps3- I said that because I have 2 HD TV’s. My Toshiba allways picks 1080p whenever I use my ps3 regardless of the game. On the other hand my Sharp aquos picks 720p and 1080p for certain games. Now I though when it did that the TV was picking out the native resolution, because my other TV doesn’t. Anyway If you would of listened to all of the show you would of heard me correct myself, so your comment is kinda useless.
Your Toshiba always picks up 1080p regardless of the game? LOL! It seems you have 2 HDTV’s and still *no clue* pal.
What?
Exactly dude, exactly… I’ve got this friend who has a similar problem to you. It doesn’t seem to matter which bar, pub or club he goes into – he always picks up bisexual women. I guess you’re both just very lucky!
Spenny T, it depends in what you select on your PS3, If you select all RES(1080P+i+720P,) the PS3 will show the right resolution for the game (Native If I’m not mistaken), but If you select only 720P it will only show 720P on the TV, the same will happens if you only select 1080P, so depends on what you select on your PS3 setting, IF you have a 1080P TV, The best thing is to select them all. LordVonPS3 you sure love to speak in codes
When Modern Warfare 2 comes out I am taking one whole week PAID vaction for that shit dude.
LOL I know people who did that for Halo 3, seriously…
A question to Tor and the folks that agree that 1080P doesn’t matter. Also for the folks that do own an HDTV. If CODMW2 came out and they had 2 versions of the game one that did 1080P native and the other that did 720P native, which would you pick up? Let say the 720P native version was $5.00 less, which would you still pick up?
I’ll go with 1080P even if it cost more, I have a 1080P HDTV and 720P HDTV, playing a 720P native game on 1080P TV looks good but not as good as when playing on 720P HDTV set, I have tested most of the resolution and I know how they look, I want as far as testing the same game on a PC ,Xbox360 and PS3 just to see the difference between all resolution on a different TVS on a different setting. As I said before Graphics will not hold me from buying games as long as the gameplay is good, but I prefer them in 1080P if I can get them
First that would be dumb charging more for a game because you can get it in a higher NATIVE supported resolution is just dumb. Also this has already been done there were games on the PS3 that support 1080p while the 360 only supported 720p. In some of those cases the 720p version actually played better with more consistancy. Now if they were the same price and on was 720p and the other was 1080p then i’m choosing the 1080p. I have a 52″ Samsung HDTV and playing 1080p content on it is beautiful. Now when playing 1080p native content compared to the same content in 720p side by side the difference will be clear with the colors. You should instaneously see better color and sharper edges in 1080p. When games are made with native 1080p support the lighting/shading tends to be superior most of the times from if it was Native 720p. I don’t consider myself an expert by any stretch of the imagination but i’ve followed this for quite some time. People don’t seem to understand that Tv’s upscale as well.
“First that would be dumb charging more for a game because you can get it in a higher NATIVE supported resolution is just dumb.” -I Agree, but for the sake of the arguement, of whether 1080P native is that much more important to a gamer, would they pay more for it. To simplify it, I see it the same as DVD vs. BluRay. BR cost more but because folks have HDTV they are willing to pay double the price for it….just because. “Also this has already been done there were games on the PS3 that support 1080p while the 360 only supported 720p. In some of those cases the 720p version actually played better with more consistancy.” -I wasn’t making this into a 360vs.PS3 thing. Again for the sake of the arguement, all things being equal except for the fact, that one package in bold letters says “Native 1080P”….and the other says “Native 720P”. Which would gamers pick up even if their is a price difference. I think Torrence over generalized the fact that 1080P doesn’t matter. I agree most games aren’t 1080P native/true and they still great games…..but a gamer who spent good cash on an HDTV, HDMI cables, home sound system…..would like games that would take full advantage of their setup.
No ones making it a PS3 vs 360 thing. I was just stating that it’s been done before. This exact situation minus the price increase.
This month will go as the worst month in fanboys history, I’m talking about industry as whole,this E3 sure damaged a lot of fanboys brains, It is out of control, it will be hard to top the fanboyism in this month, Every major site is on high alert
Nominees for 360 fanboy of the Year are: 1.The Mart 2.Torrence Davis 3.BraynBasher And the winner is …
@ Da_Dios (June 15, 2009 at 11:01 am) QUOTE: “Okay you say i don’t know what im talking about, can you tell me the NATIVE 1080 games for both systems?” LOL man, just so you know, the first thing I did was try to find out where you pulled that list, because I know some of the titles on there aren’t 1080p native. I found this link… http://www.makeyougohmm.com/ps3-1080p-games/ Did you read the *notes* at the bottom? Here’s a quote. “All titles have been checked as being 1080p compatible firsthand by the back of the game box and/or by owning/playing the game at 1080p resolution. Unlike what is happening on the Xbox 360 game boxes, Sony doesn’t advertise 1080p on the back of game boxes unless it is a truly native 1080p title.” Ha-ha. Now anyone who dares make such a claim as that is definitely going to be WRONG. In saying that, the list isn’t actually too bad but it is exaggerated. I can’t be arsed to go through the whole list, clog up this thread further, nor waste my time – but here’s say just 5 or 6 examples of where *I know* that list has definitely gone wrong… MLB The Show 08 = 1280×720 (2xAA). Ninja Gaiden Sigma = 1280×720 (has weird scaling to support 1080p). Pirates of the Carribean = 768×1080 (no AA) / 960×720 (in 720p). The Darkness = 1024×576 (no AA). Super Stardust HD = 1280×1080 (no AA). Transformers = 960×1080 (no AA). Don’t believe everything you read on the internet pal. Point made I hope.
Wait wait wait wait, you’ve singled out games that don’t have AA or have wierd 1080p support? I think your are misinformed on what 1080 means, it doesn’t mean 1920 x 1080, you do know this right? In fact other resolutions such 1280×1080 1440×1080 is indeed 1080 but more commonly used and associated with 1080i. BTW i never claimed to have made that list, if i remember correctly even as far as posting a reply in last weeks warzone i wrote “Last time i checked”. So your wrong SuperStar Dust HD is NATIVE 1080 and so are most of those other games you singled out. We might have to asterix “The Darkness” i’ve already seen capture diagnoses of the game BUT it was from the DEMO not the released version. I would like to at least get confirmation on that one title. It’s not about believing everything you see on the net, you can see alot. It’s about have credible sources and individuals from which you obtain informtion from.
QUOTE: “Wait wait wait wait, you’ve singled out games that don’t have AA or have wierd 1080p support? I think your are misinformed on what 1080 means, it doesn’t mean 1920 x 1080, you do know this right? In fact other resolutions such 1280×1080 1440×1080 is indeed 1080 but more commonly used and associated with 1080i.” 1280×1080 and 1440×1080 are commonly used and associated with 1080i? Ha-ha-ha-ha. “I’m” misinformed? OMG. You love it!!! ExitThread(); Stage left! Look forward to your next show Torrence, how about a debate about whether 2nd grade students can tell the difference between Jean Luc Picard and Kojak! Ha-ha…
Again you offer nothing but unrelated text. If my quoted text above is wrong, prove it. Enlighten me, i have no shame in being wrong. You can’t always be right, but you are seemingly disagreeing blindly with nothing to offer as a correction. I’ll do some googling for you to prove my statement “1280×1080 and 1440×1080 are commonly used and associated with 1080i?” *Warning* pwnage may follow… Example 1: Hitachi CineForm 50″ 1080i HD Plasma TV Spec sheet. •1280 x 1080 Resolution •HD1080 High Definition Display Notice the all important “i” in there right? Example 2: Every heard of HDV go google it. It’s a format that video editors use. Tor can probably vouch on this one since he does editing. There’s an HDV 1080i tape in which some older recorders only captured 1080i video and hmmm guess what there resolution was 1440×1080. Will this suffice for now? Or must more proof be provided…
You’re right Da_Dios… I am totally pwn’d. I know absolutely nothing about development. Couldn’t tell you the difference between a frame buffer and a car buffer. Frustrum culling is just my way of giving up an exercise that is too difficult for me. You’re so right, I didn’t notice the “i” in there and it was so sneaky of you to include it. Your definition of 1080i comes from a Hitachi Cineform 50″ 1080i HD Plasma TV spec sheet and I am truly humbled by the extent of your technical research abilities. Please… Please don’t provide any more proof!
Your words not mine, those were just examples. You can find more examples of this in other LCD monitors and Tv’s. I work with/around people who do video editing and one of the things i know for a fact is that in the past most of the HDV cameras (Sony HVRZ1 Professional 3 CCD HDV Camcorder, which is marketed as a 1080i HDV) only 1440 pixels per scan line were recorded and written to tape/media. Many of the people i work with edit the video in Final Cut Pro. The thing with 1080p(1920×1080) is that it’s suppose to be in a 16:9 aspect ration while the 1080i aspect ratio isn’t fixed it can assume a 4:3 (1440×1080) or an approximation of 16:9 (1280×1080). This is why 1080i is commonly associated with those two resolutions.
Da Dios, 1280×1080 and 1440×1080 are not Full HD. BTW the term is FULL HD not TRUE HD. I don’t know where the term TRUE HD came from cuz there’s no false HD. Anyways, the only FULL HD is 1920×1080. 1080i is a derivative of 720p, hence all 720p tv’s can do 1080i and to the human eye it looks good. I heard that it’s created by two fields of 540 lines each. One even field and one odd field.
The coined phrase “Full HD” is reserved for 1920 x 1080. Those other resolutions such as 1280 x 1080 and 1440 x 1080 are referred to as 1080i. You got me with the line folding i can only guess that because interlaced resolutions uses even/odd lines to display their images. So theoretically i guess for each frame you get 540 even lines and 540 odd lines laced together unlike with progressive which is why the difference when viewed is substanial.
@ Fatboy (June 15, 2009 at 12:32 pm) QUOTE: “If you select all RES(1080P+i+720P,) the PS3 will show the right resolution for the game (Native If I’m not mistaken)” You are mistaken. I’ll say again. Your TV cannot discern the native game resolution. The only thing your TV will know is what video mode your PS3 is outputting – N.B. 480p/575p, 720p, 1080i or 1080p. If your TV could tell you what the native game resolution was, no-one would bother counting pixels.
Correct. The tv only does what the device tells it to. Some other person said their 120hz TV makes Nathan Drake stick out of the tv. That’s the simple human mind at work for ya. What some of you may not know is that the 120hz affects movies and tv but not video games. All games run at the refresh rate they were programmed to run at. Plug in any 360 or PS3 game and the tv will run at 60hz. Blu-ray movies run at 120hz. I know this because I have a 120hz tv. Enough of the digression. Continue…
@LordVonPS3 Where did I say the TV can count pixels, I did not even put TV in my sentence, I said “the PS3 will show the right resolution (Native If I’m not mistaken)” I meant the PS3 will SELECT the right resolution for the game, mostly it will select native, if you care so much a about pixels, then go do it yourself, go count pixels
Give it up man, you’re talking sh*t. PS3′s don’t have minds of their own, a PS3 doesn’t “select” anything. It is down to the developer to plan the native resolution and to specify the appropriate output video mode for the game. A PS3 selecting a game’s native resolution is about as realistic as you successfully selecting Lara Croft for a wife. Count pixels? Maybe I will! I’ll let you get back to counting beans.
I’m talking shit, you don’t have the mind to comprehend what I’m saying, no wonder you running around talking shit on this story trying to be smartass,DO I have to feed your mind to understand what I’m saying,I changed the word just for you to understand, but I guess you still trying to be smart ass or maybe you don’t know shit First I said “the PS3 will show the right resolution (Native If I’m not mistaken)” Then you said “I’ll say again. Your TV cannot discern the native game resolution. The only thing your TV will know is what video mode your PS3 is selecting” ” f your TV could tell you what the native game resolution was, no-one would bother counting pixels.” Are you trying to put words in my mouth, where did I say the TV can count pixels, anyway since you are so dumb, I tried to help you by changing the word “show” to “select” But you came with something new “PS3’s don’t have minds of their own, a PS3 doesn’t “select†anything” I will go back to my original post “the PS3 will show the right resolution (Native If I’m not mistaken)†3 key words on my QUOTE (Show, right, Native) I said it will show the right resolution which is equal to native resolution which is equal to what the dev wanted the game to be played at, which is equal to your post smart ass “It is down to the developer to plan the native resolution and to specify the appropriate output video mode for the game” Also I said “If you select only 720P it will only show 720P on the TV, the same will happen if you only select 1080P” which mean the Ps3 will select what you selected regardless of the game native resolution, which mean PS3s have minds(what ever you want to call it) to select what you selected ,if it doesn’t have a mind ,it will select it, don’t jump on people when you don’t know what you are talking a bout
Ha-ha. Dude, you can change as many words as you like, but from the looks of things so far, you still won’t be right.
QUOTE: “I said it will show the right resolution which is equal to native resolution which is equal to what the dev wanted the game to be played at” It is clear when you write sh*t like this that you don’t even understand what native resolution means. You don’t understand the subject matter and you are unfit to post in this thread. GET OUT!
That’s the joke? Is this the part when I’m supposed to be amused? Seriously though tell me.
100th comment gets swag.
how about that modded dreamcast…. Oh oh how about a Sega Saturn! i still have Fighters Megamix *drool* Love the fighting Vipers characters included.
ass hair
CHOCOLATE RAIN
come on little boy’s who wants to come over for some milk and cookies
oh thats supposed to be the family guy voice that torrence was doing
i hope this 1080p debate has come to a close because it was getting out of hand
and no D Red you can shut the hell up lol.
everybody needs to hit up ign and check the review for transformers its bullshit
yay do i win swag now lol
You crazy! LOL thats got to be a record or something. Sextuple post!
@ Da_Dios (June 16, 2009 at 9:25 am) 1080i video games have got f^ck all to do with 1440 pixels. 1080i video games have got f^ck all to do with HDV cameras. 1080i video games have got f^ck all to do with 4:3 ratios, 16:9 ratios or any of the other sh*t you’ve written. As I wrote earlier, you can upscale horizontally on PS3 from a variety of resolutions. What’s more, the X360 can upscale horizontally AND vertically from a variety of resolutions, so you saying 1080i has more in common with one res or another is pure phooey. I don’t care who you say you work with, you haven’t got a clue about how video games are made and you demonstrate that perfectly with all the rubbish you write.
Okay you obviously don’t understand the concept of 1080. You obviously don’t understand the concept of aspect ratios nor the concept and subject at hand. I don’t know why you even posted that crap about the 360/PS3 upscaling as that was never something i was initially discussing. You need to comprehend what you read, pixels are pixels, aspect ratio is aspect ration and resolution is resolution. 1080i is 1080i in all formats. You seem to just disagree AGAIN with me and post nothing to base your claim off of. When you argue with a game NOT being 1080 like Super Stardust HD then explain what constitutes 1080i resolution. We all know what 1080p is, are you going to tell me next that 960×720 ISN’T 720p? My friend before you post any more nonsense read up on what those numbers mean. I’m afraid your confused and are focused on a fixed number and can’t comprehend the logic of what is being discussed. Video games and all other content abide the SAME rules when it comes to resolutions and PPI. You make NO sense in your reply. I’ll await your explanation as to what 1080i is. I’ll also await your reply on why 1440×1080 IS NOT 1080i. Very interested in your response.
1440×1080 is HD it’s just not FULL HD. HDV camera’s with 24p option display in 1080p. 1080i is in interlaced display made with two 540 line fields. 1080i is not true 1080. It’s all about tricking the eyes into thinking that we are seeing a 1080 line image but there’s never 1080 lines on the screen at the same time. It is said that if you have the choice between 720p and 1080i for gaming, 720p is better. Can we please make our points and stop calling each other names and shit?
Full HD is 1080p only that is correct. 1080i is also not referred to as Full HD, this is also correct. 1080 simply is the amount of horizontal scan lines displayed. The two should be seperated the difference between the two 1080s is not only the way the image is drawn but how many pixels are present. Full HD or 1080p with it’s 1920×1080 resolution is usually north of 2 million pixels as opposed to 1080i (which is not Full HD as you stated) which is usually north of 1 million but less the 2. When he is saying 1440×1080 isn’t displaying 1080 horizontal scan lines is just puzzling. Also trying to prove an irrelevance with display resolution, aspect ratios and pixels is just baffling. Like i said im all with someone disagreeing with me but you have to prove your point. Simply typing you don’t agree and i’m wrong doesn’t cut it. Also Tor im not positive but i believe the interlaced lines do show up together at one if even for a fraction of a second. I say this because when looking for Tv’s before purchasing mines i’ve noticed sometimes in the specs they’ll have listed 1080p/30 or 1080i/60. I’m not 100% but i believe that means the time in which the lines of resolution are displayed. So in that case 1080i/60 i assume would mean that every 1/60 of a second the interlaced lines are displayed. They don’t show up together more so one after the other but are “laced” together for a fraction of time. May be wrong on that one that’s just how i interpret that. Also Tor it all depends on your Tv set or whatever your viewing your game on when viewing 1080i and 720p. This is where the aspect ratio comes into play. 1080 whether i/p assumes a widescreen aspect. Lets use Killzone 2 for an example because it supports 1080i. If you view it on a smaller 32″ set as a opposed to a 52″ set your experience will be noticably different. I don’t remember the exact size where the difference is easier noticable but i believe it starts at 50″ and up. It also depends on the game, i used Killzone 2 as an example because it runs smooth at 1080i unlike other games that support 1080p but run noticably better at 720p because it was most likely optimized for it.
American TV is 29.97fps or 30fps. 1080p is 30 progressive frames per second. Because 1080i is actually 2 fields, it has to display at a faster rate. So you get 2 interlaced fields every second instead on 1 progressive field. So you get a total of 60 fields per sec. That is why 1080i/60 came into play. They never display at the same time because a 720p tv can only display a total of 720 horizontal lines at once. Since it’s displaying at 60 fields per second, it looks like it’s displaying all the lines at once. I’ve never heard of a 1440x1080i resolution. I thought those were always 1080p. As far as games go, regardless of the native resolution, they will run at 480i/480p/720p/1080i/1080p. So a native 600p game will never run at 600p on your tv because the system doesn’t allow it. It will always upconvert to whatever you set your xbox or ps3 to run at. With the PS3 it’s trickier because you have to turn off 720p in order to run at 1080p with some games. On the xbox 360 it will upconvert to the highest resolution possible. Again, no one…not anyone in the fucking world cared about this shit 3 years ago. Everyone was happy to play PS2 games in 480i. Why are we so fucked up now? Play your games at whatever rez you can play them at and enjoy them. Stop this bickering. Educate, don’t emasculate! That’s what this place is all about. If you want to see people shouting that GT5P is a better game because it runs in native 1920x1080p, go to N4G. If you want to learn something and talk about how great a game like Infamous is, come here. This comment section is going nuts and we aren’t getting anywhere. Oh btw, if they had two versions of a game, 720p and 1080p I’d buy both just so I could try and see the diff between native and upscaled 1080p. it would be a nice way to test it out. I run a 46″ 1080p/120hz samsung 650 series TOC. It’s beautiful and I love watching HD content on it in 1080p. In fact, the only time 1080p has matter to me was when I got this tv and started buying blu-ray and hd-dvd. It matters so much that I’m upgrading my entire dvd libary very slowly. It doesn’t matter TO ME in video games because computer generated content is quite different than real life images. It’s more forgiving. Please, can we move on?
QUOTE 1: “Again, no one…not anyone in the fucking world cared about this shit 3 years ago. Everyone was happy to play PS2 games in 480i. Why are we so fucked up now?” QUOTE 2: “I run a 46″ 1080p/120hz samsung 650 series TOC. It’s beautiful and I love watching HD content on it in 1080p.”
Wasn’t sure about the 1080i/60 good to know, i was just assuming that’s what it meant (per second) and was also assuming that the even 540 would stay long enough for the odd 540 to display. Similar to some fluorescent lamps which operate at 120Hz and flicker but to the Human eye isn’t noticeable giving the solid light. I’ll check but to my knowledge HDVs (at least the Sony ones) are just called HDV 1080. They always had 1080i and 720p support, i believe recently they have made some camcorders that come with progressive lens in which you can capture and create 1080p. As opposed to before when you captured video to HDV in 1080i it would automatically frame it in 1440×1080. If you had a interlaced lens and captured video it would still be captured as 1440×1080 and you could use an interlaced-to-progressive converter to achieve 1080p even though from what i’ve seen had it’s drawbacks. As far as I know recording to HDV always resulted in a 1440×1080 frame. I have never seen HDV record to the 1920×1080 format always 1440×1080. It’s why i mentioned final cut pro, because i know when you edit/export the file if you change the resolution you most likely result in a loss of quality especially if you tried to go to 1080p. Newer camcorders came out that have progressive lens that allow you to capture true 1080p, they are still stored in 1440×1080 on the HDV but you can now export them properly as 1080p because that was the original source resolution not resulting in a loss of quality. We can move on, not a problem. I believe on one of your Daily Davis shows you asked us to submit questions to you. That was similar to one of my exact questions i asked you. It was in DD 4-21-09: “Why the fuck has this generation become so obsessed with Frame Rate drops, Screen Tearing, Attach rates, Year-over-Year sales, first party vs third party sales, development costs and other bullshit that so called gamers are now all of a sudden so concerned over?” I feel the same way i was just giving input to a topic it’s not that serious. Back when PS1 or PS2 was out this wasn’t a common discussion. There’s no need to go as far back as genesis or NES.
Da_Dios. Seriously dude, it would be better if you spent your time on a course, learning something instead of trying to big yourself up here. Quite frankly, a game could consist of 1 pixel. It could be rendered & centered on screen using any video mode (480i/p NTSC, 575i/p PAL, 720p, 1080i or 1080p), it could be software scaled to any hardware scalar compatible resolution, then upscaled again in hardware to a compatible video mode & fill the screen. Again, all depending on how a developer wants to offer support & provided the hardware supports it. A game consisting of 1 pixel (whether it is scaled to fill the screen or not) would most likely not be very exciting but my point is that everything you’ve posted about aspect ratio’s, 1440 lines at 1080i and yes – pretty much everything else – is seriously a load of old fanboy kerfuffle nonsense. I am only giving you the facts as they are. Take it or leave it buddy, there’s simply no point arguing with something you never understood in the first place. The discussion between you and Torrence about 1080i is also confused and far too generic to be considered correct or accurate. Again Torrence is at least more on the ball regarding the interlacing of frames & frame rates, but it’s also clear he doesn’t really understand what is going on either. I will try and explain. “Most” people (I say that very loosely & apologize profusely where that’s wrong) have a 720p/1080i HDTV set. Dev’s like to offer support for the full 1080i res (1920×1080 – interlaced) as well as 720p (1280×720). This is where our problems start – especially on the PS3. A full 720p game usually has a front buffer and back buffer @ 1280×720 (~922k pixels). A 1080i mode for the same game logically requires a front buffer of 1920×540. A dev can map / scale in software – the back buffer to the front buffer (field rendering). Clearly – you should be able to tell already that there are going to be image quality problems doing this. The next problem to be had is that each 1080i field appears 30 times per second, so therefore the game itself MUST run flawlessly at 60fps, else if the game drops a single frame – it won’t be able to draw that frame again until after the following frame. Cue horrible frame rate and image quality problems. If we talk about the PS3 here, you’d also have serious concerns due to the poor fill rate of the PS3′s RSX compared with the X360′s Xenos (that however, is another story). The solution adopted since ’07 by devs has actually been to find a PS3 hardware scalar compatible resolution with 1080 v-lines, that doesn’t differ too much from the total number of pixels at the resolution offered at 720p (i.e. 1280×720). Cue – 960×1080 (totals about 1M pixels). Both resolutions take up around about 4MB with a 32bit colour depth. For a 1080i game, devs can then scale their 1280×720 back buffer into a 960×1080 front buffer and take advantage of the PS3′s horiz hardware scaler to upscale to a 1080i (or indeed 1080p) output signal. Naturally 960 is a bit cack TBH, which is why we quite often we have games running natively at 1280×1080 or 1024×1080. Reason being that it is more straightforward to map the back buffer frame into the front buffer. Again though – it depends on the fill rate, otherwise we get frame drops… If you don’t understand any of that, then you simply can’t know nor understand the real difference between 720p, 1080i or 1080p games. Hopefully though, you might now understand what native resolution really means. If you have an inkling that I’m addressing you, then I advise you go with Torrence’s oft-repeated option (and my option for all the dad’s out there). It doesn’t matter – just enjoy the f^cking game!
Not in anyway trying to big myself up, like you myself i have a son. Yes i understand what your saying. We have gotten way off point, do you remember what this stemmed from? I was simply stating that 1280×1080 and 1440×1080 are native 1080 resolutions. I never said the PS3 doesn’t upscale them. 1440×1080 is a native 1080 resolution and in the case of Stardust HD is where your buffering takes place on the PS3 to push it to 1920×1080. Even when i listed those games i never stated 1080p i simply stated 1080, again NATIVE 1080 results in 1080 horizontal scan lines usually resulting in a million or more pixels. Can you answer this for me if 1280×1080 or 1440×1080 is indeed NOT 1080 then what is… Are you saying that native 1080 p and i MUST have a fixed frame of 1920×1080?
QUOTE: “We all know what 1080p is, are you going to tell me next that 960×720 ISN’T 720p?” Yeah, okay, sure, why not? 960×720 ISN’T 720p, it’s a sub 720p resolution.
screw it ill take 720p upscaled to 1080p with 60fps over a native 1080p 30 fps copy of the same game………. yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol o btw tor your newer entries an older entries tab are on the wrong pages … technically older entries tab should be on this post page
Blackout 2 jams.
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Nah only arguments i used to get into about those systems back then was which ones had better games. Sega got shafted back then even though they had better hardware with the Saturn and the Dreamcast. Meh ZX sucked only when they released the one with more memory then Commodore could they be mentioned together, they both used a derivative of BASIC. Probably one of my favorite games on the ZX was Lazer Fighter 2 and Last Ninja 2.
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To create less clutter i’ll post below the double post… This is getting silly but okay here we go…. Quote 1: “In the case of Stardust HD is where your buffering takes place on the PS3 to push it to 1920×1080.†Did you see a ? in there anywhere, no you didn’t so why are you quoting that? Read the whole sentence i’m not asking you IF that’s where the buffering is occurring, so again not quite sure why you circled that line of text. Quote 2: No i didn’t list p or i because i wanted to bundle all of them together. Scared of what? Scared to be wrong? Sorry everyone’s wrong at some point. Just how your wrong about me being scared. But that is a moot point no need stressing that one. Quote 3: Okay i thought i was talking to someone who would understand when i wrote 1080 I mean 1080 as a resolution. Is that better? What other relevance does the number 1080 have in the context in which i was using it if not for resolution? In our discussion on the topic p/i are nothing more then the method the image is displayed. Tagging a p/i after that resolution only explains that. Now to quote you “Native 1080″ has no f^cking meaning whatsoever. By your terms, native 1080 could represent an infinite number of pixels” again read. I stated how many pixels included in those resolutions and it’s funny you actually quoted me saying it. You are over complicating the subject, i want you to see the flaw in your methodology. 1080 is not just a number in this conversation it’s a resolution one that can be either p/i. 1080 is a resolution one which has to have 1080 horizontal scan lines, a number of columns and rows of pixels such as when expressed in 1920×1080. I’m out for the night if you still don’t see this then we chat on AIM or something tomorrow. No need to be the only two people debating this for this long especially when you keep quoting me and either misinterpreting me (Qoute 1 and Quote 3). Aim: Lionheart0716
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I was into game development but i’m a procrastinator my very first interest in computers was programming. But LOL that was such a bitch to learn and self teach. It’s funny we (old classmates of mine in High school) actually wrote an old DOS game. It was a dungeon based game where you carried a sword and could acquire a bow in arrow. We never finished it only made three dungeons, it was final project for our class (computer Science). We ended up getting a B+ because we didn’t finish it but he thought we were slackers and wouldn’t be able to code it, so guess he was wrong. I’m done this is the last i’ll say on the issue because you don’t see my point. Which is 1440×1080 is a 1080i/p resolution. Stated much earlier was that “Full HD” is reserved only for 1920×1080. Here’s a breakdown: If you were to compare the 1440×1080 image or frame with 1.33:1 rectangular pixels to a 1920×1080 image or frame with square 1:1 pixels then the two images would both end up with the same overall shape for the image. That would conclude a 16:9 or a 1920×1080 shape, which is what “full HD” 1920x1080p is formatted for a widescreen 16:9 aspect. To prove this lets do the math: 1.000000 x 1920 = 1920 1.333333 x 1440 = 1920 Now lets agree that yes 1920×1080 has more pixels vertically but the difference only lies within their rectangular and square pixel aspects. Now for your front/back buffer text: The games native resolution is equal to the back buffer resolution and the front buffer is the image for display and hardware scaling (as you written). Super Stardust HD native resolution is 1440×1080 it uses front buffers to allow scaling to 1920x1080p. Therefore the native resolution of Super Stardust HD is…. 1080(p). I through the p in there just so we don’t have to go through the whole 1080 is just a number discussion again.
Ooops i just read a mistake I falsely put Stardust HD as 1440×1080 when it runs at 1280×1080. BUT the same applies with the front buffers allowing it to reach 1920×1080.
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I haven’t had a detailed discussion like this in…. years! Certainly fun especially when it’s going respectfully. Hardly any disrespectful or negative insight has been insinuated.
i have 1080
The dojo is still open. PSN ID Haipa-Sonikku. I’m on PSN right now as of 9:37 am. Train hard to defend your 1080b.
I wasn’t saying that all games were written in BASIC i know a lot were though. LMFAO! Damn i don’t remember that game, that looks so COOL! I only touched the 128 in 89′ before that was all commodore 64
. I was too young to own my own Commodore so i had to wait while my older brother would either let me play or he would be elsewhere (outside, homework etc). My brother got the Commodor 64 as a late christmas present, my pops actually had to send in a mail in rebate. Those things were too expensive. Especially the Atari which we didn’t get until WAYYYYY later.
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now its a 135 responses.oh and i have a 10000000p tv now what
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wow what a stupid comment.”get laid” fuck outta here cornball
I wonder if this is the most comments for a single thread yet on the bitbag…. If so happy to be apart of it 8)
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