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* Exclusives aren’t important when you have both consoles
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Nice DD. Lol @ the part where your screensaver comes up.
I agree with the point on exclusives. I don’t own a wii, but I did own one at one point. I know that the console isn’t right for me, though, so I sold it. But I do own the PS3 and Xbox 360, and having both systems does make forget about exclusivity. Of course, when you’re a one console owner, you’re going to go into fanboy mode to reassure yourself that the console you have will get the greatest games. That’s all fine and dandy, but when you take it too far (which is called being fanboy), that’s when it becomes stupid.
When you’re constantly knocking someone for their opinion because they don’t agree with yours, that’s when it becomes stupid. Even when the only console I owned was an Xbox 360, I never once talked down about PS3 owners or the PS3 unless it was true. I didn’t say that the PS3 had subpar online features in comparison to Xbox Live because of being a fanboy, but because it’s true. I never said that the 360 hardware was a piece of shit because of being a fanboy, but becaue it’s true (speaking solely on the reliability here, not the actual functional technology.) I’m a fan of games, not game consoles, so why would I get mad if my fellow gamers can play some really dope games? Why should you be sour because gamers like the games that they like? It makes no sense to me.
You know what I really appreciate? I appreciate those guys still trucking on their Original Xbox, PS2, and Gamecube because they aren’t stuck in some endless fanboy cycle, they play games that they like and enjoy, and they don’t base their entire meaning of being a gamer around putting the other side down. I’d like to reference Candid Anthony’s site here: just shut the fuck up and play. Nothing you say or do (besides actually buying and playing games) will make this console generation turn out any differently, so do your part as a gamer and just play some fucking video games, if not for the good of the internet, then for your own good. For your supposed favorite console’s good. For everyone’s good, period.
Sorry for the long rant, but I just felt the need to say all that.
good show tor
i know i got the game right on your screen…
@ogwilson– good post man i wish people would go back to being gamers
Torrence, your RYU HAYABUSA wall sticker is badass! I tried to figure out the old school game you were playing, looks familiar, just can’t remember the name. Anyway, good DD episode.
Happy Birthday Torrennce…
How old r u now?
All Exclusives do is define the means on what seperates the competition from that platform. But your right that’s why you get both systems so that your able to play those games. Good David!
another great show bro, and my b-day was on the 20th as well, found that funny
happy belated Bday tor, i hope you live long, and see many more prosperous ones.
it’s really funny how all of a sudden exclusives don’t matter anymore, pretty convenient. lol
when the 360 was supposedly rolling in exclusives, exclusives were great, and were considered the centre of the freaking earth, now that the tables have turned, exclusives aren’t important anymore.
THE BOTTOM LINE IS: exclusive games define a system. mario=nintendo, just like halo=xbox, and just like god of war=sony. and now that sony’s upcoming exclusives are looking to kick some major booty, and the 360 from what we know thus far has nothing to compete, NOW all the 360 centric sites and fanboys can’t fathom the importance of exclusives ALL OF A SUDDEN.lol
MS treats 3rd party devs TODAY just as good as sony USED to.
and the ps2 HAD competition, but they were decimated. the ps2 blew sega, nintendo and microsoft out the water.
I have to disagree with Tor. I feel that Halo is a bad representation of the 360. Its capable of so much more. I think the game that best represents of what it offers are third party game like COD4, GTA, R6V because it has the best online for third parties.
Yeah here we go. The PS2 did have competition. Sony ran all of them into the fuckin ground. O.K. The reason Microsoft bailed was because of the discrepancy with Nvidia back in 2003, the cost of the HDD, and lack of profitability in the XBOX platform.
On your 1 vs 1 with that mufucka Aaron Greenburg you both thought that Grand Theft Auto III was what did it. Man have you forgotten Q4 2001! It wasn’t only that but also Devil May Cry, Capcom vs SNK 2 and a little known title by the name of Metal Gear Solid 2 Sons of Liberty, and etc. They had a world class lineup in 2001 that kicked off with Zone of The Enders. Add to the fact that it can play DVDs (which lead to Sony Corporation’s theoretical with Blu Ray which paid off) and you can’t beat that. The post above me basically tells the rest. All of the sudden exclusives aren’t a big deal. Yeah then why does Microsoft to this day go to trouble of buying up third party exclusivity i.e. exclusive, timed exclusive, and/or exclusive download able content. Again even in your 1 vs 1 Greenburg told you the reason that Microsoft does it and it’s to convince people not to buy a PS3. It’s funny how you Xbots “hate” the Wii. No no no. The only REAL reason you hate the Nintendo is teh same reason why last generation you hate Sony and it’s because they’re fuckin you up by a huge margin. Let me remind you that Microsoft is ahead of Sony by 7 million YET they are behind the Wii by 22 million! You’re all the same and that is that you’re bitter and the reason Microsoft will NEVER get first place is that unlike the computer industry where software is mandatory to run, entertainment is not. It is optional. Microsoft still has no real reason for being in this business other than that of a nuisance. Here’s a simple equation for you Torrence. Sony PlayStation 2 > Microsoft XBOX = Microsoft XBOX 360. Nintendo Wii > Microsoft XBOX 360 = XBOX 720? Come on dude. The avatars. Copy and Paste. You feel me?!?
On your own 1 vs 1 Aaron stated that they write checks basically is to convince people that all those titles are NOW also on the 360. In the end did it get them first? You know the answer and the lesson that you and Microsoft need to learn is that entertainment is created not bought. The thing they did achieve and what may help them next generation is mind share. People next generation are gonna expect Microsoft to have a virtual lineup comparable to Sony. What about new IP? All the games that Microsoft took from Sony were born on PlayStation. Ironically the only memorable IP born from Microsoft is Halo and Gears of War which is why they do a rinse cycle repeat on those IP. Raise your hand if you back in 2007 knew that Microsoft would release another Halo title? O.K. Now raise your hand if you know for certain that Gears of War 3 will come out next year? Exactly. Copy and Paste. Ken Kuturagi was ironically correct. XBOX 360 is competing with the PS2. Everything that the PS2 did it’s like “oh we do that and we’ll be switch places with Sony. They haven’t and the reason being is simply because their not in first place. Typically American thinking. See Toyota vs GM.
Yeah loved you wished Microsoft “the biggest of success”. At least general “fanboys” admit what they do.
Happy Birthday #39.
Tell me why people think MS or any other company has taken franchises from the ther other company when they did not own them? At the time it was smarter to make the games for the ps2/ps1 at the time because they ruled the install base…. its not like the system made the games what they are… the games actually made the system what it was. The companies who helped build Sonys name dont need to be loyal or have some type of loyalty to them because well… sony doesnt own them.
You made a good case up until the “xbots” comment, really wasn’t needed as all Torrence said really was that’s why you need to own all the systems…
First off, welcome to the site Orochi. Glad to have you here. Now that the mutual bullshit is over, let me step up to the plate and tell you why your reply is 100% incorrect.
The PS2 did NOT have any competition. If you call the Dreamcast disappearing off the face of the earth, Microsoft dropping out early and Nintendo losing millions on the Gamecube a competition, then you might as well put a 5yr old into the ring with Ali. Not one of the other console manufacturers had a foot to stand on. Sony obliterated all of them. By the time the PS2 was out the gate, none of those consoles stood a chance. Microsoft actually did well but cut their on throats. There was no one to stand in the way of PS2 domination. Everyone who owned an Xbox, Dreamcast or Gamecube also had a PS2. Where was the competition when PS2 was at 100 million? Yeah right! Sony didn’t have to do anything but sign deals. The same shit happened with the PS1 era. The Saturn got booted early and no one cared about the expensive N64. Sony had the field all to themselves. No competition! Nothing to stand in their way from 95-2008. That’s a 13 year span of complete dominance. If you wanted a video game, you bought a Playstation. It wasn’t until 2008 when we realized how incredible the Wii is as a product and I guarantee you, it will be the next system to reach 100 million.
GTA3 was the sole reason PS2 won that generation. Had it been multiplatform, Sony would have lost their head start to Microsoft. GTA3 was THE game to own that generation and just like Aaron said, everyone who bought a PS2 had GTA3 and Madden. The other games were just cherries on the top. Look at the sales of Metal Gear Solid 2 and 3 combined agains GTA3 and tell me what you come up with. No wait, I’ll do it for you. GTA3 sold a total of 11.60m copies. MGS2&3 combined sold a total of 9.60m. You tell me which game is moving consoles? The other GTA games even sold more than the first one. Vice City sold 14.20m and San Andreas sold a whopping 17.79m. Thanks to Rockstar and an EXCLUSIVE 2 year contract with Sony, PS2 dominated that generation. They pushed whatever console that stepped up the fuck out.
Exclusives are not a big deal. When you have a console that has big games like Resident Evil 5, GTAIV, Bioshock, Fallout 3, etc., you don’t have to have a huge first party exclusive line up. Yeah, you’ll have exclusives, but they just aren’t as important as your whole library. Synergy comes to mind. The sum of your individual parts is greater than the whole. Microsoft’s entire library shines and it shines even brighter than Sony’s right now. Sony has literally no RPG’s whatsoever. It’s hurting them more than people realize because they people want them. Why is it that people keep saying that Microsoft needs to get more first party exclusives? In fact, you never hear Xbox owners saying this, only single console PS3 owners. Are they looking for reasons to pick up an Xbox? Microsoft buys 3rd party exclusives for the same reason Sony bought 3rd party exclusivity for GTA3. I’m sure there’s no need for me to go any further into that right?
We can all agree that Nintendo is kicking everyone’s ass this generation. You’d have to be a fool not to notice. Did you hear the question I asked Aaron about how they are going to catch up to the Wii?
“Microsoft still has no real reason for being in this business other than that of a nuisance.”
Ahh I see. Now the true colors come out. So only Sony and Nintendo belong in this race now right? I’m sure a lot of people said the same thing about Sony when they first got in the console game.
“Come on dude. The avatars. Copy and Paste. You feel me?!? ”
Come on dude, Trophies. Copy and Paste. You feel me?!?!
Sony made a better gaming experience because they copied Microsoft’s achievements. Microsoft made a better gaming experience by creating avatars like Nintendo’s Mii’s. What came first, Pepsi or Coke? Without one, there wouldn’t be another.
“All the games that Microsoft took from Sony were born on PlayStation.”
Here’s where I grease up the paddle and put holes in it to really give you some pain. Name one game that was born on Playstation and is now on Microsoft’s platform exclusively? Wait, I’ll do it for you. Ace Combat. That was developers choice. Everything else still came out for the PS3. So Microsoft took nothing. All they did was create a better library for their gamers. It doesn’t end there. Do you mean to tell me that Final Fantasy, Grand Theft Auto and Metal Gear were born on the Playstation? How old are you 17? All of those franchises were created on Nintendo consoles with the exception of GTA which was first created on the PC. Where do you come up with this shit? Just because a third party game started on one console it can’t appear on the other? Well let’s just take Soul Calibur and throw it out completely cuz that started on the Dreamcast.
“ironically the only memorable IP born from Microsoft is Halo and Gears of War which is why they do a rinse cycle repeat on those IP”
OH yeah? Metal Gear Solid is on it’s 4th Playstation game. How is that not rinse cycle repeat? What about Gran Turismo? It’s on number 5. Halo is on 3 and Gears is only on 2. Do you do your research before posting or are you just foaming at the mouth like a rabid dog?
“Everything that the PS2 did it’s like “oh we do that and we’ll be switch places with Sony. They haven’t and the reason being is simply because their not in first place. Typically American thinking. See Toyota vs GM.”
Yep, and it was smart of them to play the Sony way. It’s the same thing that Sony used to get a foothold in this business. Remember all that Saturn development that was cancelled or postponed in favor of the PS1? That was Sony’s doing. They paid money to get devs to can the Saturn versions of games. Check this out:
“While the original Tomb Raider was released on both the PlayStation and Sega Saturn game consoles, Tomb Raider II was no longer designed for the Saturn, with Adrian Smith citing technical limitations of the console to program an adequate conversion.[4]”
Tomb Raider II was originally slated to come out for the Saturn. It was in development. Sony paid money, the devs made the game PS1 console exclusive. I remember going to their booth at E3 to hear the news. There were no technical limitations. The ONLY thing the Saturn couldn’t do was hardware transparencies. It could do everything else just fine. If you believe that the Saturn couldn’t do Tomb Raider II, I suggest you find a way to play Virtua Fighter II on the Saturn. It was technically impossible to do on the PS1. The technical problems with the Saturn were the development tools. The devs hated it, just like they hated the PS3. It was easier to can it and make a PS1 version. Sony did the same shit when they first got in the business that Microsoft is doing now. Nintendo held exclusives with a firm grip. I have another quote for you:
“Batman the Video Game was released for the Sega Mega Drive, which was inspired by the Batman film. The Mega Drive/Genesis version[1] was also produced by Sunsoft. Critics were impressed by its graphics, sound, and playability. Similar to the NES version, it had limited commercial success because it took so long for the final product to be released, due to Nintendo’s former policy of producing titles for a Nintendo system exclusively. By the time this policy was abandoned, the game was released in 1990.”
Now the Batman on Genesis and NES were two completely different games but Nintendo’s contract basically said ‘no Batman GAMES on any other consoles’. That was ruthless!
Wishing a company success isn’t a bad thing. You are a rigz. I dare you to prove otherwise.
Thanks for the challenge. Glad to have you as a site member.
Good day sir!
damn you made him look like a fool…. lmao very nice
“Do you mean to tell me that Final Fantasy, Grand Theft Auto and Metal Gear were born on the Playstation? How old are you 17? All of those franchises were created on Nintendo consoles”
no torrence, metal gear was born on the MSX2
Oh shit! Good call Kingpin. I forgot about that one! Proves my point even further.
Damn Bro….
Clean-up on aisle three!
Anytime and I was half asleep even (night shift people know what the deal is). I call it the way it is with that “rigz” and shit but week after week you, that Candid Anthony dude, and brainbasher (I don’t know the correct spelling) constantly get on Hiphopgamer when he defends PS3 and Weapon X just ducks for cover. Yeah I got on this site after DLB mentioned Hiphopgamer on his video when he addressed the gaming community and I was like I heard of Hiphopgamer before. Ironically it was also from Goodfella Jay which wasn’t good. Anyways DLB did a complete 180 on the PS3 meaning that he tried to distanced him from it by you know “being a true gamer” yet even he said that everyone has a platform that he/she prefers. Hypocrite? So I go Hiphopgamer’s site and he mentions Warzone and before you know it I listen to this day. I started on #24.
Now that the formalities are over, time to give the business. First exclusives matter. They help consumers decide which platform to purchase. As one who used to work at Electronics Boutique back at the end of the 20th and worked in consumer electronics related occupations for sometime (which is bullshit most of the time) people don’t by platforms by accident. Don’t try to misdirect what I stated. Microsoft made the deals with the third parties SIMPLY to convince consumers that the don’t have to be bout the PlayStation platform to acquire these IPs. If I’m lying then why did YOU celebrate the news of Final Fantasy XIII going multiplatform, and let me tell you something, I know you’re not a Final Fantasy fan, so you better come up with a better reason than “expanding the audience or more sales or whatever you Xbots call it these days. First off you dropped $599 on a PS3 right? If so then “as a gamer” why do care that it went multiplatform. No to rephrase that, relished it yet you wanna call me a “rigz”? Come on my dude. Try harder.
As far as the IP topic being born on PlayStation I gonna use the Hiphopgamer card. It’s like sperm. It’s swimming in you’re balls. When a man/woman match then after 9 months a baby comes out. Well I tried. It’s like this. You know as well as I do that back in the ’90s the premier genres was fighting games, action/adventure and sports. The basic gamer back then didn’t know or gave a fuck about no Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Illusion of Gaia, Phantasy Star, Shining Force, etc until a known installment by the name of Final Fantasy VII arrived. Sony did the tactic that Microsoft used on Halo Wars and it’s show nothing but CG and that outta do except in Sony’s case most people DIDN’T take it back. All I heard back in ‘97 was “man that game didn’t look like the oen on TV” and that shit. LOL. O.K. Afterwards the RPG genre went mainstream and it did it on what platform?
1998. The year before this game was released it was advertised in the back the manual for Castlevania Symphony of the Night. The internet wasn’t very useful for this type of information at that time so many people didn’t see the Tokyo Game Show 1997 trailer. The game was released in ‘98 and saw success on what platform?
1996. This game was released that year and was the fastest selling game on this platform as it did a million in six months (historic by that time’s standards), and subsequent installments followed and resulting in huge success despite the fact that Capcom tried to replicate the same construct on the Dreamcast and on the GAMECUBE with. What platform sir?
The successes of the Final Fantasy IP, Resident Evil IP, Castelvania IP, Metal Gear IP, etc saw their birth, rebirth and/or realization was on and ONLY on the PlayStation platform. Final Fantasy wasn’t realized until VII. Resident Evil was born on PlayStation. Castlevania was reborn on PlayStation in what many to this day put in down as the best in series and that was Symphony of the Night or
Akumajou Dracula X as I known it to be. I regret to this day not playing the Japanese Saturn version. That and the Saturn version of Rockman X4. Metal Gear Solid. Is there anything I gotta state about. Who do you know owned an MSX? O.K.
I know of the buying of exclusives deal with Sony back in the mid ’90s. I was on the receiving end. Video chat with me on PSN (Haipa-Sonikku)one day and I tell you all about it. Any person with a real sense of this business knows of the deal with Nintendo which was why most 3rd parties ran to the Mega Drive/Genesis.
You know it gets tiresome when symptoms of denial are there and you the cure and yet you don’t wanna take it. Do you HONESTLY believe that the 360 is equal to the PS3 yet consider the following. First off the 360 cannot do 1080p native. If so then there would’ve been 1080p games at launch. The Fall ‘06 Update added the ability to UPSCALE to 1080p. Ridge Racer 6 vs Racer 7 tells the story quite clear. On your podcast (#40) you cling to the claim that multiplatform development doesn’t hamper game development. Now when Hiphopgamer mention Tekken 6 I was like “I love this guy” and then…yeah. This is what was supposed have been stated. PLAYSTATION 3 owners have to wait until Fall of this year because of the XBOX 360 version and don’t even try me on this shit. Tekken 6/Bloodline Rebellion runs on the Namco System 358 arcade board which is a PS3. It even has the XMB before startup. Everyone in Austin, TX be bout that Arcade UFO aight? So basically the PS3 version is done. No optimization required. However Harada-san stated that porting the game to the 360 is gonna be a great challenge. Go to sdtekken.com for all of statements. As far as Tekken going to 360 not being a big deal that’s fuckin bullshit. Tekken is the #1 fighting gerne IP in the world. Tekken 6 and the updated version Bloodline Rebellion have been on Arcadia Magazine’s Top Ten at number #1 for over a fuckin year! That’s is a record for ANY arcade game in Japan. In other words PS3 has to wait on 360 yet 360 doesn’t have to wait on PS3. As far as developers who state the PS3 is hard to develop for, that argument is basically invalid. Really it’s about how Sony treated third party developers and market share.
As far as exclusives being bought this is where I change lanes. Sony Corporation did it with Time Warner which lead to Blu Ray’s victory over HD DVD. Fuck Howard Stringer O.K. That guy is all about Sony Pictures and nothing else. Sony’s engineers aren’t 100% behind him and why should they? He fired Kuturagi for etc and yet Angels and Demons gets advertised at the Super Bowl over Killzone 2?!? He did the one thing that he needed to do and that is to unite Sony which he did. Other than that him and Sony Corporation look at Sony Computer Entertainment as an island and won’t let the executives manage i.e. Ken Kuturagi, Phil Harrison, and most recently David Reeves.
Oh? Didn’t expect that did you yet I expected everything in your response. Yeah man. Haipa-Sonikku. Be bout that video chat sometime (and it’s free yet better) and yeah the Final Fantasy XIII Trail is simply the baddest thing on the planet. zer0notsurugi.blogspot.com and ncsx.com. What? Don’t have it? And here I thought you’re a “true gamer” being that you “loved” the Final Fantasy XIII bullshit at Microsoft’s E3 Press Conference and yeah the demo alone is over 5GB and it’s only over an hour? NOW (well I always known, who am I kidding) maybe that was the true purpose of the “New XBOX Experience”. Maybe you should check out tekkenzaibatsu.com and learn just how big Tekken actually is. Maybe watch a couple of tournament videos, etc. Being a “true gamer is not only about knowing the business but experiencing it as well. When you stated that you didn’t know what a super cancel is…Sega fans are the most hardcore on the planet. At least they’re supposed to be. The fuck out here with that “rigz” bullshit. Everyone has a system that he/she prefers over the other.
OOG. You don’t even get a li…
Great warm up though. Still in the sheath.
Orochi, I started reading your post, picking out all kinds of inaccuracies in your logic and planning a retort. Then I read this: “First off the 360 cannot do 1080p native.” Oh yeah? Tell that to EA and Sega. I’m not even going to do you the service of telling you which games they make that are native 1080p cuz it’s not important. You are SO WRONG in saying that the 360 can’t do 1080p, that I’m not going to give much of the other bullsnot that you typed the dignity of a response. If you are going to come to a fight as a pro, wear a cup and a mouthpiece man. Where did you get the info that the 360 can’t do 1080p? The internet? Look, I’m not going to tell you why NATIVE 1080p does not matter. Upscaling is the important thing. As long as shit upscales to 1080p, why do we care if it’s native or not? I dare you to answer that question.
Another thing, any Final Fantasy FAN knows that the series was popular and MAINSTREAM before the Playstation was released. Ask any Final Fantasy FAN what made the series popular and they won’t mention FFVII. I know there are a lot of you who got your first RPG experience on FFVII and think it’s the reason the series is so successful. You are wrong. All of you. If you don’t believe me on this, I will gladly get the entire Final Fantasy brigade in here to back me up on this. Do some more research before making statements like that man.
Who owned an MSX? Many people did. And many people played Metal Gear on the Nintendo platforms. So how can you say it got its popularity on the Playstation platform?
Lastly on Tekken 6. I analyzed that it was going multiplat in October 2007. One year later it was announced. It will be 2 years after I said it was “probable” that it will be released, day and date on both consoles. Too bad PS3 owners had to wait, but I don’t think Namco wanted to release Tekken 6 shortly after Soul Calibur 4. They would have had 2 3D fighters on the market and it would have killed their sales. They are playing smart.
Go here, read the article and then read the comments: http://www.thebitbag.com/2007/10/16/tekken-6-on-xbox-360-is-highly-probable/
You are one of these guys that thinks everything should be on Playstation only just because a lot of the games started on Playstation. Well my friend, that only applies to 1st party games, not 3rd party. Look at the history of video games and learn. If the industry used your logic, all Final Fantasy games after 3 would have been exclusive to the Nintendo platforms. Doesn’t make sense does it? And neither does your statements.
Waiting for your reply…
Oh? Yeah man. Now how did I know that you was gonna bring the EA and Sega? Hmmm? NBA Street Homecourt 3. Virtua Tennis 3. That right? Again with the misdirections. I said that the 360 CANNOT do native 1080p. It does the same technique as the Toshiba A1 HD DVD player. Does that matter to the average consumer? Maybe so and maybe not. The REASON I brought that up (so that you would respond as I knew you would) is to explain and stay on topic in regards to your Davis Daily on what Jaffe was stating about the 360’s interface being pixilated. Common sense also should tell you that, wait, Microsoft’s Andre Vrignaud in 2006 had this to say. (Link below and keep in mind that the news article was BEFORE TGS 2006)
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3152866
On your tired rebuttal in reference to the Final Fantasy IP, the IP wasn’t mainstream because games weren’t mainstream. Now we both are from before that area and what were them cats back in the day saying? The PlayStation made gaming mainstream. Therefore the IPs went mainstream. Any fan knows of the the IP that they register with. It’s just that Final Fantasy VII made the genre mainstream and got A LOT more players unto the genre just like Street Fighter II did for fighters and how Gran Turismo did for racers. You know this yourself. I hear and feel your frustration when you talk about the old school and yet no one on the podcast knows of it. They’re not familiar with the Sega Model 1 or Titan board and etc. Just like how am with recently the Ryu ga Gotoku IP YET that doesn’t mean that the IP, which is known as Yauza here in North American, is known to the average consumer simply cause of base. I have Ryu ga Gotoku, Ryu ga Gotoku 2, Ryu ga Gotoku Kenzan! and Ryu ga Gotoku 3. I know how it feels when people don’t know these games simply cause of base despite the fact that IP is very popular in Japan. It literally is Shenmue re imagined so to speak. Shit the same can be simply said of Nintendo’s Fire Emblem IP which finally saw release here thanks to Smash. Again. Mainstream appeal. PlaySation. Mainstream platform. I was bout that Saturn. The King of Fighters ‘97 and Real Bout Fatal Fury’s remixed tracks are to this day godly. Golden Axe The Duel is the shit. A word to the wise. Don’t let anyone borrow your shit. After Fighting Vipers 2 (DC) that was it.
Metal Gear. Ask any person and they will tell you that Metal Gear Solid was what put the franchise into the mainstream and also on what platform? OF COURSE people owned a MSX. OF COURSE people owned a Jaguar. OF COURSE poeple owned a WonderSwan. OF COURSE people owned a Neo Geo. OF COURSE people owned a Neo Geo Pocket Color. HOWEVER that doesn’t qualify mainstream. On the NES? Yeah and here’s something for you to enjoy and laugh at.
Now here’s where I get a little serious. On Tekken 6 Bandai Namco Games fucked up the cycle. Every interactive entertainment/fighting genre enthusiast knows the cycle. Tekken comes to the arcades meanwhile the Soul seirs is played on console after the port. After Tekken comes to console then the Soul series again. Soul Calibur was supposed to come AFTER Tekken. It’s been this way since 1995. Unfortunately when Bandai Namco Games made the announcement that Soulcalibur IV would be released BEFORE Tekken 6, automatically I discounted the game as yet another failed attempt to recapture the gameplay and success of undisputed the best in the series, Soul Calibur II. Stance change during 8-Way, three levels of Soul Charge that changed the properties of the moves DURING motion, mad Just Frames, the fact that Vertical Attacks (B) don’t track, Ivy, etc. Was I right? OF COURSE. Soulcalibur IV is a mess. Why? Simply because of prophecy of mine. The console is the home video market and the arcade is the theater. Just like when a movie gets released in theaters and gets the definitive version on Blu Ray/DVD the same applies to most definitively fighting games. You wouldn’t even imagined how Street Fighter IV was destined to turn out if it weren’t the Japanese and Arcadia Magazine convincing Capcom for an arcade release. Shit Soul Calibur II went through four (!) versions before it was released in North America in 3rd Quarter 2003. The Japanese version is the definitive version as it has all the glitches from Version D. So yeah that takes care of your argument in the “They would have had 2 3D fighters on the market and it would have killed their sales. They are playing smart.” The most probable reason Bandai Namco Games made this decisions is simply because the Soul Calibur IP didn’t do numbers in Japanese arcades ESPECIALLY to Sega’s Virtua Fighter. VF4 Evolution basically slaughtered it back in ‘03.
As far as every game being on the PlayStation platform current heralded by the PLAYSTATION 3, PlayStation Portable, PlayStation Network and the PlayStation 2, that’s bullfuckinshit. As far who buys PS2 games? I just got Guilty Gear XX Accent Core Plus for both that and the PSP. The reason I also have a Nintendo Wii, DS Lite, DSi is? The experience. As soon as Microsoft releases the Vahalla version of the 360 (combined GPU and CPU) then yeah. The PlayStation platform moved the industry foward because of Sony’s view that games are entertainment and this and 1up Yours podcast clarified it even further. It is the most important platform. It is the first and only platform that appeals to both the casual AND hardcore market. When Final Fantasy XIII drops later this year in Japan that’s it. Then Nintendo will release a version of the Wii with a different color. Just like how the DSi came to be and that is because of Crisis Core Final Fantasy VII and further solidified by Capcom’s Monster Hunter 2 Portable. The Wii and 360 basically split the market into the respective markets. Wii got the casual. 360 got the hardcore. I haven’t begun yet and this comment section won’t hold what I could unleash.
By now I think you realize that you’re up against a REAL “true gamer”. The actual definition is enthusiast. Unlike you I don’t and never have restricted myself to the North American territorial market. I rep them imports and respect this industry on a global scale and will always respect the territory that resurrected this business after your boys at Atari and the rest of them garbage cats killed it back in ‘83 and of course its Japan. I greatly prefer Japanese games to bug riddled NA games with their PC patch mentality. The quality in gameplay the actual fact that these games hold real value. Check eBay. The voice overs that breathe life into the characters. Scenarios that teach life lessons. Uncensored mostly (with the exception of the Japanese version of Ninja Gaiden as you can’t decapitate heads). Check out my blog. zer0notsurugi.blogspot.com. It needs lots of work though. PSN ID is Haipa-Sonikku. Be bout that Video Chat. I currently can’t do the Warzone thing as I’m never off on Friday and Saturday. I was advised that if I wanted them days off that I might as well look for another job. I’m off this Tuesday and Wednesday. Now if you’ll excuse me I’m gonna try out this SFIV Championship DLC and get back on the baddest shit on the planet right now and that is that mufuckin Final Fantasy XIII Trail. You should import it then maybe next time you won’t make a fool of yourself talking shit about its graphics. I’m waiting. Still in the sheath.
http://zer0notsurugi.blogspot.com/
Exclusives don’t sell systems. Other than Reggie maybe YOU haven’t looked at the numbers. Looking foward to #41 and yeah don’t do that. Yeah. Wait until the Video Chat. Or maybe you will? Decisions. Decisions.
HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!! Are you fucking insane or something? How can you say something as stupid as “360 can’t do 1080p native” and then come back with a post that put a huge smile on my face? Who are you?! That last post almost put tears to my eyes. This is what I’ve been trying to tell motherfuckers! THIS is a true gamer! Fuck that enthusiast shit, that’s for guys with journalism degrees that think they know gaming. YOU are a TRUE GAMER!
Unsheath your sword…let it loose. I’m curious to see what else you have my friend.
Now, lets get back to the fight.
Tekken 6 was a draw for the PS3. It was supposed to be one of the games that drew the PS2 crowd to the system. I have no issue with the fact that at the time it would have been a PS3 exclusive. Tekken is only good against a human in my eyes. The AI sucks. I was thinking that maybe Namco could have did a timed exclusive putting it on the PS3 first then the 360 later on. They decided to go back to Soul Calibur. I just recently picked up II before I left San Diego. I’m still a huge fan of the Dreamcast version. While graphically, SCIV is a step above the others, there is way too much cheese online. Anyways, they released SCIV and you can see that when the sales numbers came in, they had to release Tekken 6 on the 360 or they would lose out on some serious money. This is business.
My ideology of this business is that all 3rd party games should be multiplatform and all 1st party should be exclusive. Think about how many sales MGS4 would have if it was multiplat? Even if they only sold 1m more on 360 that’s still money in the bank. This is business. Tekken 6 will be hot, it just that we have to wait until this fall to see it. Again, it’s a shame PS3 owners had to wait this long.
As far as FFXIII goes, the demo is in no way the same quality as the trailer. When the game comes out and I’m actually playing what I saw in the trailer, not only will I become a FF fan once again, but I will also send you a free game courtesy of Playasia.com. Make a note of this post.
So your argument was that the 360 can’t do the interface in native 1080p? If that was the case, why didn’t you say so. You can’t just admit you were wrong about that? And what does it matter anyways. You are a Playstation fan. Remember that all the PS2 was capable was enhanced definition which was 480p and now in this generation your are making a big deal about what resolutions the 360 can handle? It blows my mind that Xbox gamers have been playing in high definition since the Xbox 1, but Playstation gamers are now just getting a taste of HD and they want everything in 1080p. Please tell me why you even brought up that argument? It doesn’t make sense for a true gamer like yourself to go that route. And just like I figured, when I called you out on it you made it like that wasn’t what you meant.
Here’s your quote once again:
“Do you HONESTLY believe that the 360 is equal to the PS3 yet consider the following. First off the 360 cannot do 1080p native. If so then there would’ve been 1080p games at launch. The Fall ‘06 Update added the ability to UPSCALE to 1080p.”
You were talking games, not the interface.
Now on to the topic of Playstation loyalty. See you, like Weapon X have this funny idea that 3rd parties should remain loyal to the Playstation brand but you can’t give me a logical reason why? You brought up all these games that only saw the light of day on Playstation, most of them that were on other platforms, and you implied that they should stay on playstation.
“If I’m lying then why did YOU celebrate the news of Final Fantasy XIII going multiplatform, and let me tell you something, I know you’re not a Final Fantasy fan, so you better come up with a better reason than “expanding the audience or more sales or whatever you Xbots call it these days. First off you dropped $599 on a PS3 right? If so then “as a gamer†why do care that it went multiplatform.”
Why do I are that it went multiplatform? Because I know that a lot of Playstation only gamers went the 360 route and even if they didn’t, every GAMER in the world deserves the opportunity to play great games. 3rd party games are the only way to buy any next gen system and still have the ability to play those great games. A 3rd party publisher should only have one thing in mind when it comes to their great titles, mass market penetration. You cannot get that by developing for one console anymore. You could last generation because it was all PS2. Any hot game made for the PS2 could get that mass market penetration. 100+ million systems sold! You can’t lose! With the 360/PS3 combo we have an installed base of 52m. You want to reach as many of those people as you can. Rigz however, are selfish. They want everything on the Playstation 3, just like last generation. So when games like DMC4 and FFXIII were announced, they went apeshit. They created stupid petitions to get people to boycott Capcom. It’s complete horseshit and I can’t believe you are using that argument to try and somehow prove me wrong.
Just so you know where I stand, I don’t ever want to see Gran Turismo on the 360 nor do I want to see Halo on the PS3. 1st party exclusives have their place. Exclusives matter to single console owners and Microsoft and Sony. There are plenty of multiconsole owners out there that could give a rats ass about who has more exclusives. They have the option to buy whatever they want. Single console owners are the only ones getting the shaft on 1st party exclusives. Do you agree?
Ok, Final Fantasy 7 sold 9.72m. Good numbers. Final Fantasy III on SNES sold 3.42m, Final Fantasy II sold 1.72m, Final Fantasy V 2.45m, etc. Yeah, the series sold more on Playstation, but still gained popularity and hit MAINSTREAM on the SNES platform. Unless of course your definition of mainstream is different than mine. I consider a game mainstream when it continually breaks sales records, goes beyond 1m in sales and has name recognition. What’s your idea of mainstream?
You aren’t crazy or extreme, but until you can answer all of my questions, the title of “Playstation loyalist” goes to you. Maybe you have a split personality. I just find it hard to believe that you have so much knowledge and history of gaming and can make some of the statements that you did. You’ve earned my respect as a true gamer, but come on man, let’s get real here. Why don’t you just come out and say that you want Microsoft and the 360 to die so everyone will buy playstations. Just come out and say it!
Unsheath your sword, I’m waiting…
Yo good DD…… just want to say ive been messing around with the UFC demo on my 360…. game is frickn cool man…. kind of hard to learn everything in the game right now…. like I dont totally understand the ground fighting etc… but the game seems to have some good technical elements…and the graphics are pretty sweet….. no quite fight night but close enough…. I wish the knockouts would look more like fight night tho…. and see there faces jiggle etc…. but they still are pretty sweet….. just thought id mention the game for everyone looking to get the demo when it releases later this week
Yeah and for the record Hannah Montana The Movie is available is also on the 360. Bottom line is this generation ALL Microsoft is trying their best to do is to convince consumers NOT to buy a PS3. They could give a flying fuck about industry growth in the interactive entertainment industry. Just like the deal with the Zune. How does it feel to know that Nintendo was responsible for 99% industry growth last year! Square Enix can shit on Sony all they want and maybe this year they’ll post an even bigger lost than last year (74%!). Microsoft is just a generic copy and paste company. EVERY PC gamer and computer industry person can tell you that.
I wont say MS isnt a copy type of company… because almost every company is….but I will ask… do you think the gaming industry would be where its at today if MS didnt introduce an actual good online service for consoles? hmmm think about that…. MS have done a lot to change the gaming industry and help it evolve just like Sony and Nintendo have….
Dude and it’s not Sony’s job to sway consumers to NOT pick up a 360 and pick up their product instead? That’s all exclusives are, there just something to separate the competition. Something to offer people who brought that console and to make a case to those who have yet to buy it.
Your whole point about Nintendo being responsible for 99% of the growth last, you do realize that the other 1% is somewhere consumed by PS3, 360 and PSP right?
You sound mad that Microsoft is doing only what any smart business would do, which try to stay competitive and not left behind. Microsoft has Live which no other system has and so what if they try to buy timed exclusives or get titles that came out on PS2. How dumb would they be if they didn’t try to get GTA 4 or FF 13 or DMC4 or any other game that debut or came out on the PS2. You sound like a hater it’s just business. And as far as growth you have to give Microsoft credit as far as I’m concerned they revolutionized online gaming and the way the gaming industry markets their material. Before Microsoft games were never marketed like they are now which basically introduces more and more people to the world of gaming.
Give credit where it’s due, not just to Sony but to both Nintendo and Microsoft.
should get u hannah montana for ur b day lol
Nintendo= Brought Gaming from the Dead
Microsoft= Revolutionized Online Gaming
Sony= Got gaming mainstream and actually made gaming looked at differently
The PS2 did have competition what are you talking about. The Dreamcast came out in 1999 a year before the PS2 and the Gamecube and XBOX xcame out 1 year after the PS2. Now look at this scenario XBOX 360 2005 the Wii and PS3 came out year later. Then this should mean the 360 had no competition.
I feel Sony did have competition with the PS2 they just beat the shit out of them hey it happens just my opinion.The Hanna Montana thing was dead on the head,I own all the consoles I’m buying all the exclusives that appeal to me because I’m lucky to own all the platforms some people do not for various reasons at the end of the day people should just enjoy games that’s what they are made for.Everyone should let all the personal feelings go if you don’t like something just don’t support it.All the fanboy stuff is the best free advertising that video game companies have ever had and trust me they know it.Torrence it takes a lot of balls to call yourself out on the DLB thing and still stick to your guns you have gained even more respect from me another good Davis Daily man.
Lmao Pro video man
“Exclusives aren’t important when you have both consoles”
True, Exclusives aren’t as important if you have both consoles, but it IS important for persuading people in which console to buy, and it IS important in possibly persuading people that only have 360’s/PS3’s to buy the opposite console.
I’ve always been a Single Console owner throughout each Generation I’ve owned a console (Super Nintendo, PS1, PS2, PS3). I’m in college right now and I don’t have much time for multiple consoles anyways. I could go out and buy both a Xbox 360 and Wii right now if I wanted, but just choose to stick the PS3 for various reasons.
I know I’m going to get flak for saying this, but it’s true: most 360 games hit the PC (Mass Effect 1 & 2, Alan Wake, Splinter Cell Conviction, Braid etc…. and it seems like Fable 2 might be hitting the PC as well, especially with Molyneux’s quick “No Comment” response when asked about a PC version…. so if I have a PC, I’ll be able to play most of the same games that are on the 360, and ironically, the games I mentioned above are the only games I’m interested in that aren’t on the PS3.
However, if the 360 had better reliability and ALL of the games I mentioned above were ONLY on the 360, I’d probably already have one.
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As far as the PS2 not having any competition… WTF? The PS2 had plenty of competition, it’s just that the competition couldn’t make a dent into the PS2 and the last time I checked the PS2 wasn’t on the market all by itself for the entire 6th console generation. Microsoft and Sega bowed out early last gen., but they were still competition while they lasted regardless, and even though the Gamecube was a total flop, it was still competition and Sony was STILL competing against Nintendo for the Consumer dollar.
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As far as Jaffe goes, I don’t think he even needed to explain himself and I don’t see why someone would question him for being Pro-Sony… I mean, the guy had massive success with the Playstation platforms, he’s got plenty of close friends and Sony and more importantly, his career got a kick-start at Sony. If I was Jaffe and worked for Sony that long, and decided to form my own independent studio, I’d be Pro-Sony as well
The reason why Insomniac has stayed exclusive to Sony for over 10 years, is probably the same reason why Jaffe chooses to be Sony exclusive right now because of the fact that they’ve both formed such a close relationship with Sony over the years.
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I also agree that DLB needs to go back to the way he used to do things, with his weekly videos. I was a major follower of his back then, but not anymore because it’s rare that he does a Youtube video anymore. I think all of the success that he was having with Youtube got to him a little and maybe caused him to get a little big-headed.
“most 360 games hit the PC (Mass Effect 1 & 2, Alan Wake, Splinter Cell Conviction, Braid etc….”
You know what? Shit, I’m gonna sell my 360 and buy RE5, Midnight Club Racing, Burnout Paradise, Fallout 3, Force Unleashed and SFIV all over again on PS3 and then get Gears Of War 2, Halo 3, Tenchu Z, Test Drive Unlimited, Star Ocean 4, Lost Odyssey, Fable 2, Splinter Cell Conviction(didn’t realize it was out already), Dead Rising, Too Human, Project Sylpheed, Ninja Gaiden 2 and the rest of my library for my new PC. Fuck I’m an idiot. Thanks for setting me straight Alclayps3.
Seriously though, don’t take this post personal. Just calling it how I see it.
you sure are a 360 rigz torrence.lol
what arrogance! AlclayPS3 was not asking for you to get rid of your precious 360, all he was just saying is that MOST 360 exclusives THAT MATTER TO HIM, are on the pc. and as a pc gamer myself i will add to it and say; they perform better and have a better online experience as well(FOR FREE), e.g. COD4, L4D, TF2, bioshock, mass effect, etc are all much better experiences on the pc.
your whole argument about exclusivity unimportance is just plain weak. afterall if exclusivity wasn’t important why would MS spend so much money on securing them?! the only difference is that MS’s focus is on 3rd party games(and NOT by choice), sony’s already been there and done that, and wearing the t-shirt.
MS currently has NOTHING announced that can possibly begin to compete with sony’s first party 2009/2010 line up, and that is the reason a lot of 360 rigz have sand in their vaginas.lol IMO, all sony need to do is step up their marketing(for 3rd and 1st party games alike), match live feature for feature, and work on a price drop asap.
and i find it funny that you don’t like to speculate about the implications of the ps3 being at a lower price point, but it’s easy for you to speculate that the 360 is gonna have an awesome lineup for this upcoming E3.lol all company representatives are gonna say that their E3 lineup is gonna be kickass, and aaron is no different, sony and nintendo have said the same. in the end time will tell.
Seriously though, don’t take this post personal. Just calling it how I see it.lol
“all he was just saying is that MOST 360 exclusives THAT MATTER TO HIM, are on the pc.”
He never said that. He said, “most 360 games hit the PC (Mass Effect 1 & 2, Alan Wake, Splinter Cell Conviction, Braid etc….â€
He never said anything about it mattering to HIM. He made a blanket statement that MOST 360 exclusives hit the PC. I don’t know what you were reading.
Then on this:
“and as a pc gamer myself i will add to it and say; they perform better and have a better online experience as well(FOR FREE),”
It cracks me up how you can say the games run better on a PC and is FREE online in the same sentence. If you factor in how much you have to pay for a PC to run COD4 BETTER than the 360 or PS3, the free online doesn’t matter. How much did your rig cost JMD?
“your whole argument about exclusivity unimportance is just plain weak. afterall if exclusivity wasn’t important why would MS spend so much money on securing them?! the only difference is that MS’s focus is on 3rd party games(and NOT by choice), sony’s already been there and done that, and wearing the t-shirt.”
When did I ever say that exclusivity isn’t important to Microsoft? I said it wasn’t important to ME! I don’t work for Microsoft and I don’t speak for them on how they feel. Obviously they like exclusive content. It’s why they keep purchasing it. I would say that exclusives ARE important to MS. They have exclusive first party games, exclusive DLC and timed exclusive games. They are the exclusive monster. I never said it didn’t matter to THEM I said it didn’t matter to ME!
“MS currently has NOTHING announced that can possibly begin to compete with sony’s first party 2009/2010 line up, and that is the reason a lot of 360 rigz have sand in their vaginas.lol IMO, all sony need to do is step up their marketing(for 3rd and 1st party games alike), match live feature for feature, and work on a price drop asap.”
Microsoft never plays their cards early. Where have you been? Why would Microsoft announce a game for 2010? Why would they announce anything before E3?
“and i find it funny that you don’t like to speculate about the implications of the ps3 being at a lower price point, but it’s easy for you to speculate that the 360 is gonna have an awesome lineup for this upcoming E3.lol all company representatives are gonna say that their E3 lineup is gonna be kickass, and aaron is no different, sony and nintendo have said the same. in the end time will tell.”
Ok I’ll play your game and speculate how the 360 would sell at an even lower price point. That’s real fun. I never said the 360 will have an awesome lineup!!! I don’t even know what they have planned. Where did you hear me say this? I love when people put words in my mouth to try and get the upper hand in a debate. That’s a strategy only rigz use.
“He never said anything about it MATTERING TO HIM. He made a blanket statement that MOST 360 exclusives hit the PC. I don’t know what you were reading.”
he said “so if I have a PC, I’ll be able to play most of the same games that are on the 360, and ironically, the games I mentioned above are the only games I’M INTERESTED IN that aren’t on the PS3.”
“It cracks me up how you can say the games run better on a PC and is FREE online in the same sentence. If you factor in how much you have to pay for a PC to run COD4 BETTER than the 360 or PS3, the free online doesn’t matter. How much did your rig cost JMD?”
first of all, a less than $100 GPU can run COD4 at much higher settings(at a 100+ framerate) than the 360 ever could. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130445
i’d love to see you on steam some time.
for you see, that’s the beauty of pc gaming, you can go as high end as you like, it just happens that i like my rig to have the latest and greatest. BTW, i strongly suggest you pick up cod4, TF2 and L4D for that rig of yours and see for yourself how these games were MEANT TO BE PLAYED.
“When did I ever say that exclusivity isn’t important to Microsoft? I said it wasn’t important to ME! I don’t work for Microsoft and I don’t speak for them on how they feel. Obviously they like exclusive content. It’s why they keep purchasing it. I would say that exclusives ARE important to MS. They have exclusive first party games, exclusive DLC and timed exclusive games. They are the exclusive monster. I never said it didn’t matter to THEM I said it didn’t matter to ME!”
lol, nice try torrence, i never said that you said “that exclusivity isn’t important TO MICROSOFT”. i was talking ONLY about the importance of exclusivity as a whole. and BTW, MS tries to be the exclusive monster, but they’re still not, it’s still sony. however, the great thing is that MS’s EXCELLENT marketing allows a lot of people to think that they have more than they really do. and that’s entirely sony’s fault. e.g. when you see a commercial for RE5 it’s only the xbox logo you see at the end.
“Microsoft never plays their cards early. Where have you been? Why would Microsoft announce a game for 2010? Why would they announce anything before E3?”
as i said B4, time will tell, afterall who says that sony’s played all theirs. MS better have something BIG to go up against sony’s killer lineup; team ico’s yet to be announced game, GOW3, GT5 and many many more.
“Ok I’ll play your game and speculate how the 360 would sell at an even lower price point. That’s real fun. I never said the 360 will have an awesome lineup!!! I don’t even know what they have planned. Where did you hear me say this? I love when people put words in my mouth to try and get the upper hand in a debate. That’s a strategy only rigz use.”
you have repeatedly said that you’re confident that MS is gonna have a good E3 showing/lineup(being pretty defensive about it actually). the last place you said it, was in that interview with aaron. and i’m not the type to put words in people’s mouths, at least i try not no. not sure if that still makes me a RIGZ. lol
yo that game on the screen is $s8gjkle iadf2*).
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sorry my bad bro, the game i just mentioned was turbografx game so it cant be it.
“PS2 or having no competition” is bullshit they all got their chances and they fucked up, especially the dreamcast (big time)LMAO, Nintendo is like a Boxer singing “I GET KNOCKED DOWN, BUT I GET UP AGAIN, YOU’RE NEVER GONNA KEEP ME DOWN!!!”
And microsoft took some DNA sample from the last console war especially those from the dreamcast, and re-engenered it to create the Xbox brand.
that’s torrence for you, as Nietzsche would put it; he will stare into the abyss of wrongness and REFUSE to ADMIT that it’s staring back at him.lol
he has his mind made up that playstation 1 and 2 had no competition and he’ll stick to it regardless. even if his reasoning makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE. “GTA3 was the sole reason PS2 won that generation. Had it been multiplatform, Sony would have lost their head start to Microsoft.” BUT HEY, AARON AGREES WITH HIM.LOL
much love to torrence though.
I’m not going to argue this no competition thing anymore. Yes, the Dreamcast, GC and Xbox all competed with the PS2 and lost. So where was the competition after all those systems died? Where was the competition when GC couldn’t sell a 3rd party title and Xbox only had a handful of games that sold well? Where was this competition? Did the competition make Sony work harder to sell consoles? When I say the PS2 had no competition I mean that it had no equal. It had no threat from any other system. It was the goto game system. When your foe is knocked out, he is no longer in competition with you. I’ll leave it at that. I’m not going to argue this anymore. It’s like punching through a brick wall that’s sever feet thick.
“I’m not going to argue this no competition thing anymore. Yes, the Dreamcast, GC and Xbox all competed with the PS2 and lost.”
that’s all i wanted to hear. /argument
my fuck, i’m such a nerd.lol
See you guys have to stop acting like Rigz and not gaming rigsz just rigz in general… if you cant read between the lines and figure out from the first that Sony did not have an equal when the ps2 dropped then you need to go back and read some more…..
Of course they had a little bit of competition but nothing severe….
Sega didnt have close to the amount of fanbase as the ps1…Nintendo was in more of an identity crisis…. and Microsoft came to the game early and needed to try and play catch up on an already established fanbase of video gamers and then decided they would be better off jumping first into the HD Gen….
See easy… if you couldnt think of all this when you read his original statement…. then where the hell were you during that generation?
Thats why Sony has better and more First party developers, MS dose NOT treat First party developers as good as sony. tor you did not understand what David Jaffe whats to say, because you don’t work as a game or web designer like we do, i have been working for 6 years now, and i will tell you this: i prefer freedom work over more money, 3rd party titles don’t give a fuck if the game is good or not, they want their games finished in no time, and then pass it to their marketing team, market the shit out of it and sell it. that how MS also dose their job, if you look at gears 2 you see some levels that are not even well published, no lightning and no shadow casting, let me give you a simple example (note im not trying to bash gears 2, its a great game, i played it and loved the gameplay)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3259/3233043155_b48258dd19_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3078/3251916201_9c1a213d7b_o.jpg
the lighting has no effect on the character model, this shows you how rushed the game was, and heavily marked for it to sell, and don’t get me start with halo 3.
that why David Jaffe prefers to be exclusive to sony, and that also gose to Insomniac (best gaming company in US) and Naughty dog. (because freedom of developing)
yes,I know how he feels, if you’re in a creative industry you would rather work for someone who would let you express yourself fully though your work, rather than someone who thinks of you as another cog the company.
“EXPRESS YOURSELF!!!”
sam, what you’re saying could be applied for the most part, but certainly not across the board. for instance, there are great 3rd party devs that are just as creatively free and take great pride in the quality of their games e.g. IDsoftware, epic games(to some extent), bioware, blizzard, valve, bethesda etc. as much as i don’t get why valve didn’t bother to bring their games to the ps3, i respect THEM for not doing a shitty, half-assed port like EA did with the orange box, or like capcom did with lost planet.
So now we are back to arguing graphics. I don’t know one person that owns Gears of War 1 or 2 that doesn’t think it’s beautiful.
I understand why Jaffe likes working with Sony. I thought it was a dumb question from whoever asked him.
We have heard stories from independent devs that don’t like working with MS. HOWEVER, Bungie had a great time with them and Microsoft released them so what….so they could be more free to do what they want. Can’t blame them for being strict. That’s just business. My whole point about Jaffe wasn’t his reasoning but the simple fact that he’s always been with Sony, why would he change.
Thats why Sony has better and more First party developers, MS dose NOT treat First party developers as good as sony. tor you did not understand what David Jaffe whats to say, because you don’t work as a game or web designer like we do, i have been working for 6 years now, and i will tell you this: i prefer freedom work over more money, 3rd party titles don’t give a fuck if the game is good or not, they want their games finished in no time, and then pass it to their marketing team, market the shit out of it and sell it. that how MS also dose their job, if you look at gears 2 you see some levels that are not even well published, no light or shadow casting, let me give you a simple example (note im not trying to bash gears 2, its a great game, i played it and loved the gameplay)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3259/3233043155_b48258dd19_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3078/3251916201_9c1a213d7b_o.jpg
the lighting has no effect on the character model, this shows you how rushed the game was, and heavily marked for it to sell, and don’t get me start with halo 3.
also
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3533/3180443830_4a0ffcd771_o.jpg
Uncharted
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3334/3183761873_61194f277f_o.jpg
The details on the Gears 2 characters are all normal maps, models lower polygon, their normal mapped details are lower resolution and are pixelating Its the cheap rushed way of doing a game.
that why David Jaffe prefers to be exclusive to sony, and that also gose to Insomniac (best gaming company in US) and Naughty dog. (because freedom of developing). freedom of developing = better quality, period.
and its good to own all consoles, that how you know what system has the best quality exclusive that deserve your money.
OH GOD!!! is that gears 2? either the LOD or the normal map MIP are fucked up, i hope it’s just a 1 frame problem, cause that looks worst than what im seeing in gears 1.
LOL @ unreal engine 3/3.5
“freedom of developing = better quality, period.”
Wrong. More time, better development tools and smart devs = better quality, PERIOD.
I like how you didn’t zoom into Uncharted like you did with Gears. I’ll tell you this, when I was PLAYING Gears, I didn’t see what you posted in that pic. “You wanna know why!??” – (c)HHG – Cuz I’m too busy playing the game. I’m sorry the textures and lighting ruined the Gears experience for you. Hopefully Epic will ditch UE3 and base the next game off of UE4. Even in the interview with Aaron I said that Gears is limited by the engine, not the 360.
See this is a bullshit statement… its not about the Sony and MS here…. and I can see you a fanboy… to even think so… you might say your not but yet you pre judge companies that own the systems etc…..
How do you know how MS treats their first party…. bungie was fine… they had freedom to make their game… online…. dlc etc and MS was great because they actually back their games with marketing to make sales… instead just letting it ride.
Anyway… it comes down to the developer themselves….for you to say 3rd party companies do not care about their game quality “3rd party titles don’t give a fuck if the game is good or not” if one of the dumbest comments I have ever read. Funny…. so you tell me Rockstar, Infinity Ward, 2k games, Valve, Epic, Codemasters etc dont care about their games???? Go get your head checked because these companies have come out with some of the highest quality and best selling games this generation and they do this in a reasonable time frame……
Just face the fact you dont like MS and stop acting like you speak the truth because in reality Sony, MS and Nintendo are companies and money is the main reason for everything… if you think Sony is some weird saint of gaming that doesnt focus just on money then your foolish…
* Os ps… dont use uncharted or any game as an excuse…. its called different art style, different developer visions and the use of different tools… you being a so called developer should know this.
first of , you right about better development tools (360 has the best for now), every major gaming company has smart dev’s, but there are some companies that don’t give the time and teamwork, Everyone has a say in every aspect of game design and development, which alot of gaming companies lacks of it.
2. im talking about dev perspective, not random gamer like you taking the joypad and playing the game, when i play a game i also don’t usually pay attention to the details “HHG”, but when you look at the game form a dev perspective, all those thing will not look good.
and Wrong Gears was NOT limited by the engine or the 360, it was because of harsh developing not polished enough, hasty work, NO freedom of developing. and why do i say that, well take a good look at Batman arkham asylum that is using the same engine as Gears 1&2(UT3)
http://images.eurogamer.net/assets/articles//a/3/5/0/3/2/6/DrYoungInteractive4_resize.jpg.jpg
http://www.gamerhotline.com/wp-content/gallery/batman-arkham-asylum/knife2_resize.jpg
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/8279/12299700711.jpg
and don’t forget gears 2 had the best development tools and smart dev’s (EPIC devs
), i don’t blame them. you said MS treats first party devs same as sony?, well they don’t.
BTW here some very very zoomed uncharted pics
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3122/3180430280_97b0029993_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3404/3179588557_a8c21129c0_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3098/3179590805_85152b2ba5_o.jpg
sorry for my bad English.
Damn! Batman looks hot! I don’t know why I’ve been sighing away from the footage. I’m known for that though. Anyways, good pics. I won’t argue graphics though. It will make it look like I don’t think Uncharted looks hot. But to counter it a little…check these out:
http://www.thatvideogameblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/too_human_demo-may15.jpg
http://blog.wired.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/02/19/too_human_gdc08_12.jpg
http://xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/769/769508/too-human-20070301051102997.jpg
http://www.penandpaperportal.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/too_human000_3.jpg
BAM! Take that!
What I wanted to say is that Gears 2 looks unfinished not because of U3 engine limitation, its just because MS rushed things and thats why it was released looking the way it does. All I’m saying is that Epic did not had the freedom of developing, like Jeff said. “better development tools and smart devs = better quality” as you said, Epic had those 2 things but didn’t make a polished game, so this brings us back to “freedom of developing = better quality, period.â€
Game on!
Peace!
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Haha, this is hilarious. Everything on here makes sense. *sarcasm sign*
I’m not even going to say anything about these topics, because they are pretty boring in my opinion, but i do want to say a couple of things I’ve noticed on here – today, and earlier.
Torrence. I think you do really well. Presentation, realizing the complexity (that you have to add tons of factors and perspectives), the examples you utilize, to delve into what people write and analyze it before you post etc. There is though one thing I’ve noticed that you do that most people do not understand. And I understand why. Let me use one example from this thread – that the PS2 did not have any competition.
When two or more items focus on the same audience – competition exists. I might be wrong, but when I see that statement I kinda know that you generalize. What I think you are trying to say is:
There was competition BUT it barely affected the Sony brand, therefore you can kinda generalize and say that the competition was non existing.
It’s the same with irony, some people can’t see it. Maybe you should explains your statements better, so that less misunderstandings happen. Take this as positive criticism
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Then one thing i would like to say. Please use “I think” more often.
“The 360/PS3 has better games”
Just write “I think” in front of these statements, because you cant prove it with facts, it’s your opinion. There are about 10-20 places in this comment section where I would like to add “I think”…
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Last thing. The “It is not an exclusive because it’s on PC as well” fanboy comments crack med up all the time. It’s like saying that PS3’s technical advantage cannot be used as an argument because you can get the same or even better graphics on a PC. Both statements are built on the same logic, and they are stupid and FAIL, so don’t use them. Well, it depends on if you want people to take your comments serious or not.
Dead on Sajmon… kudos to you… that exactly how it is.
yes, i think it’s a good advice. but then again, i think he might turn around and say “i did not say that” or “don’t put words into my mouth” o_0 even though(i think) he seems loves it when people do that to counter his argument. so i think it’s best to take it as i read it, then i think he might correct himself if he feels like it.
How did i do?
Wow. If we can get this much comment action on every Davis Daily I’ll be all set! Good conversation. I hate to have to call each other rigz. I can’t argue anymore. Other fish to fry!
Game on!
Peace!
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that’ cool at least no one is telling anyone else to shut up. -_-
peace guru- ….. i mean torrence!
yeah true that…these comments at least wernt attacking each other.
long live the bitbag.
Woow, intresting comments I learned a bunch of shit today! My Brain!!!!!!
Ok, i just want to comment on the ps2 not having competition…
Torrance ur always saying the ps2 didn’t have competition and that’s why it sold so much… the reason xbox wasn’t that sucsussful, the reason the gamecube was hurting and the reason the dreamcast probably left the generation was FUCKING BECAUSE of the PS2 beating the shit out of all three of those systems…
The reason the ps2 was standing by itself was because it had ALREADY beat the compition… SO instead of saying the ps2 didn’t have competition how about saying it HAD competition, but it fucked up house on all those other consoles… STOP SAYING THAT SHIT, u want to say ur spreading knowledge, that shit aint knowledge that’s ur dumb ass logic like much other things u say… still love the show but cut it out with that shit…
and what made the ps2 “gta” and thats it? HAHA
gta (all iterations)
FF (all iterations)
metal gear (all iterations)
God of war (all iterations)
Maddens
guitar hero’s
devil may cry (all iterations)
and that just named a few… get real with that shit..
-gam3raxis
gameraxis
How in the hell you gonna leave the gran Turismo series out of that list.
360 games does not do native 1080p. Up scaling the 360 to 1080p = a nastier image than 720p. I notice that with a lot/all of the games. Games come out more blurrier which makes the image lose a lot of detail. So yea that is a worthless 360 feature unless you use it for movies. I checked off 1080p on my 360 as soon as i noticed that. The PS3 is smart enough to not even display 1080p if 1080p was not the optimized resolution. Ex: MLB 09 the show, NBA 2k9, CoD4. While in GT5P, NGZ2, and wipeout HD goes 1080p auto. So yea Native 720p > 1080p up scaled game. I know people get hyped when they get a new 1080p tvs and right away set everything to display in 1080p but do yourself a favor and set the 360 to 720p so graphics won’t be gimped and don’t play ps3 games on 1080p. I think theirs only like 2-5 native 1080p games. Most are PSN games, I’m not even sure SFIIHD Turbo on 360 is native 1080p.
Exactly. At least Sony’s honest when it comes to it’s base resolution display in the back of its cases. I set the HDTV according to what it states i.e. Uncharted. 720p/1080i. I choose 720p. 1080i is just 540p times two which is why the resolution was a standard before even 720p. Looking foward to the MvC2 demo tomorrow. Yeah. Weapon X. I was at EVO 2007 and Justin Wong did not win the tournament. Yipes did. I’ll be there this year.
Upscaled 1080p looks nastier then 720P? What is wrong with people, fucking arguing over resolutions. I’m sorry but you must have some fucked glasses if you think 1080p up scaled on 360 looks like shit. Games do not come out blurry at all, it looks great. Maybe you have a cheap Chinese knock off HDtv those include Vizio, insignia among others. But this line right here proves you don’t have a 360 “So yea that is a worthless 360 feature unless you use it for movies” DVD’s on the 360 cannot upscale they go back to 480p! Also you say “Ex: MLB 09 the show, NBA 2k9, CoD4. While in GT5P, NGZ2, and wipeout HD goes 1080p auto.” well NBA 2k9 and cod4 are not 1080p native they’re 720p native, and whats NGZ2 ninja gaiden sigma 2 ? If so thats not even out yet. When will this madness STOP!!!!!!
Oh? I just got listening to Warzone #41 and yeah. You know what I meant and also why I think that you assumed that I backtracked. I didn’t. I was merely responding in relevance to David Jaffe’s explanation on his reasoning for why when his HDTV(s) displays the 360’s interface in 1080p, it’s pixilated. It’s just common sense that the 360’s 1080p display isn’t native simply Microsoft never intended it to be featured in the first place. Again don’t forget 2005/2006 and how Microsoft repeated stated that “1080p is meaningless”, etc YET goes behind everyone and announced 1080p support for the Fall ‘06 Update at the 2006 Tokyo Game Show AND the release of the HD DVD peripheral. For what?!? Just another attempt to as “Mr. Me Too. Come now. Don’t be surprised if Microsoft announces their “answer” to PlayStation Home just like their supposed “answer” to Sony’s LittleBigPlanet , their “answer” to Gran Turismo, etc. Yeah Sony did “answer” to Halo via Killzone back last gen and Achievements via “Trophies” however there’s this sense of significance or to put in better terms importance to it. Even back in ‘98 with the Dual Shock in response to Nintendo’s Rumble Pack that was packed in Star Fox 64 back in ‘97.
#41 was great. Look for my email. PSN ID/Haipa-Sonikku
Ora ora ora! Kinasai!
Man Microsoft was right 1080p doesn’t mean shit, it doesn’t make or break a game. If so i guess 95% of next gen games are shit. BTW I’m running the 360 at 1080p through component and its not pixelated like David said. Whats with your “answer” bullshit could you be anymore of a fanboy! Everyone makes an “answer” to something that is superior to try to better themselves, I know you included the parts where Sony “answers” the competition, but then you cover Sony’s ass by saying there is great significance to their “answers” and brush aside MS. FYI Sony in no way NO WAY answer Halo with Killzone, come back and say that when Killzone sells millions upon millions and has great significance in the pro gaming world. Anyway these fanboy posts and debates are INCREDIBLY stupid and end with no resolution. Also don’t come back and start accusing me of being an Xbot cause I’m not i just call it like it is.
Oh?
Torrence. I tried to email you something but it didn’t do through.
tordavis@thebitbag.com right?
Here’s my email.
orochinagizer0ex@hotmail.com
His e-mail is tdavis@thebitbag.com, on the staff section if you click on our names you will see our e-mails.