In this episode we talk about all the things the Microsoft is doing to ensure a holiday win this year. We also discuss why Sony isn’t using stronger marketing for stellar games like Little Big Planet and Resistance 2. Also on this show:
- Torrence discusses his likes and dislikes of the Killzone 2 beta
- Hiphopgamer argues that there aren’t any next gen quality games on Xbox Live like their are on PSN
- How in the hell does Nintendo sell over 800k Wii systems in October?
- Does Tomb Raider Underground match up to Drakes Uncharted graphically?
- And much much more!
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i feel you hiphop its like you are the only one that has faith in the playstation brand
the gaming industry is backin the xbox 360 like a motherfucker and its sad to me because they can make better games on the ps3 its so funny. i really think next gen starts when developers start utilizing the ps3 fully come on man look at killzone 2 why havent a game come out on the 360 that look that good come on now.y havent 360 have a game that can support 60 player matches y hasnt it i dont understand it you know.
If they just changed the storyline of a game that won’t make it good, the reason for the game sucking is due to the timeline.They never have enough time to make the game because they have to bring it out in time for the movie.A great example of quality games on PSN is Pain or Wipeout..That’s all I have to say about that argument.
Great show again bitbag crew.
Another awesome podcast!
That argument about the Live titles vs Psn was getting UGLY! hahaha one sided all the way :p… I dunno how much Psn titles you guys you normally play, but wasn’t PAIN acknowledged in the podcast? That’s one
example of a title that could’ve help Hiphop’s point, also, Torrence u love Wipeout HD right? Even though it is a re-done version of Wipeout Pure, wouldn’t that be something that could upstage many of the Live titles? If not just graphically, but at least being classified as being ” a next gen titel”? Wipout HD isn’t even distributed on disc too right? So that’d be an even better example since it follows closer to the Live “business model”? Siren: Blood Curse? Episodic downloads, and graphically rivals the new disc-released titles, and Siren: Blood Curse— I haven’t seen it released on disc yet either.. Pixeljunk Flower? THAT’S another one…Looks insane, but I know I could only find a title like that on Psn (from what I’ve seen so far). What about the Go! Sports titles? They even dropped over a year ago.
Aside from Sony’s terrrrrrible marketing, there’s something that’s been really bugging me and perhaps other gamers as well– particulary when I see Xbox Live ans the Wii’s Virtual Console content and then when I see Psn’s content–
Basically, goes like this–
Only a handful of PSX titles on Psn?
……what the fuck? If they don’t want me to download psx games and play them for free, then they should release them on their big ol’ Psn so I can happily pay for them to play on my PS3! It’s funny though, given all this “Brand strength” they’re relying on, I highly doubt that fucking– Wild Arms, Twisted Metal 2, Medevil, and The Crash Bandicoot Series is enough to bring me back to those golden years of PSX gaming, Twisted Metal 2 is an admirable attempt, but no–.. . Get The Final Fantasies up there, the Front Mission 3, Star Ocean 2, FFtactics ( <—–games like THAT) and then I’ll start maxing out my credit card on their stuff, because honeslty, the die-hard sony fans? Or anyone who has has even a bit of brand loyalty to them, can tell you that these are the types of games that they remember playing on their PSX’s.. As or right now, they’re losing that money as I’m (maybe, maybe not) downloading the fucking Iso’s to play them for free. That’s like, 150+ dollars Sony could’ve got from me and tons of other users but didn’t because they just keep fucking that stuff up.
Like I’ve been waiting since launch to see all these great games flood back, just like how Xbox Live just acquired and re-sold older games (for the most part) that helped make the Live Marketplace so appealing. I’m sure many people who have a PS3 now, and a PSx then would very much agree. Seeing Microsoft so eager to get these JRPG’s on their console today shows right there that Sony still can wave that coveted and timeless content around and make Microsoft foam for that shit like a rabid dog being teased with a nice fat steak. Advertise those older psx titles periodically with commercials with a big PSN/PS3 logo on it, air it throughout the year and BAM!, it dispells all of Microsoft’s efforts to create a foothold in the genre. I can’t see Sony doing that though, hahaha… I think we can all agree that they don’t want to finish first this generation THAT bad right? Seeing the Marketplace and the Virtual Console content almost inspires to me to…. build an “ISO collection” of my favorite PSX games.
Anyways, loved this episode.I pretty much wait all week for these podcasts now/. But yeah, awesome as always guys.
Hip-Hop’s argument was simply. What game(s) does Live have that you can go to the store OR stay at home and buy? NONE
He did’nt articulate it at first for you guys. But as soon as he posed the question i understood what he was saying.
Candid kept talking about the distrubution method. That was’nt what HH was talking about.
lol! Ya’ll tried to play my boy. It’s cool though.
When ya’ll figured out what he was talking about. You guys were STUCK on what he said INSTEAD of what he meant.
It was’nt MS’s business model, but it SHOULD HAVE been expected since the 360 is a next gen console.
Sixaxis + content = Next Gen = Warhawk
Anthony was right. i was in chat and listened live for this and what HHG was “trying” to ask was what games like wipeout/burnout/warhawk does xbox live have . He made it sound like what good new games are on live but he should have asked what game are on live that you can download to your harddrive instead of going to the store and buying. So that is a digital distribution question. I said all the games in xbox originals which are last gen games but HHG meant This gens games so Anthony was right
Your show was off the chain!!! MS is marketing their ass off and PS just sitting on their hands. I feel that if PS3 do not tighten their act up, they will be way behind.
Second, MS do not have their own development teams to sell games to XBox Live Marketplace. HHG do has great argument
about it.
Third, Torrence has a point the next gen in Japan. Here my opinion about it. Japanese like game play ,story driven and creative.
Also I would like to say is that your show is keeping fresh topics every weekend, plus your website. All of you are number one in my heart and be bless!!!
OMEGA 5…LOL
HipHop was talking about Tripe A….AAA titles
The PSN does have those big 3D hardcore games that people want not the 2D almost 3D games
Wipeout HD, Siren: Blood Curse, Warhawk, Socom
Microsofts store in comparison would have to release something along the lines of a Forza, Left 4 dead, etc etc
Portal….i guess that’s similair to the more 3D but that’s only one game and Portal is more of a addon than a full featured game
you guys need to stop smoking PCP and get off the xbox live put on the PSN.
psn is free and isnt P2P for first party games.
xbl is p2p for mostly all games and connection.
sadly paying for xbl DOESNT effect the gameplay.
your paying for all the addon’s as in cross game chat and that bull.
psn has no problems that only the fucking devs. tor you say you know how to code games yet you forget the MAIN one. song doesnt handle the game the devs do so if R2 has connection issues thats there fault not sonys. and paying for the PSN wont fix shit.
lay of the PCP and drop that fucking topic. if sony starts to charge for the psn only a TOOL would pay for it
oh yeah i keep hearing you guys besides HH praise vale for there work.
have any of you even played a vale game before. there the WORST coded game i’ve ever played or seen. i used to code hacks for cs1.5 and 1.6 vale is pure horse shit. half life is the worst game.
and any real FPS fan got hooked on a FPS via mohaa or WW2 games. half life started the world of game hacking.
gabe is the worst dev in the history of the world and any company to hate the ps3 should just stop making games and go back to there 1995 best seller cough cough cs1.6
Hey Damph, fanboy to the end eh? Thanks for the entertainment. Any true gamer knows that Valve is the shit. They changed the FPS genre for good. I’m not even going to go into the reasons why because you probably won’t understand.
Dongalos, I don’t care what the game looks like or how big it is, HHG said that Xbox Live doesn’t have next gen quality games like PSN and it does. Taking a game from your existing library and putting it online and offline for sale means nothing. It’s just a feature and it doesn’t apply to all games. Bottom line is, he was wrong to say XBL doesn’t have next gen games. If you don’t think Portal is next gen then you’ve got issues.
@ damph
My friend i think you need to stop smoking the pcp and talk about stuff you know about instead of rambling about things you don’t know about. I say this because if you owned an 360 and have had live or not have had live you would know that you are not paying for cross game chat and you can do that with the free account, as well as download movies, games, and demos, and add on content. Get your shit straight! When you pay for live you pay for the exact same thing you get when you pay for an mmo on the computer, you are paying for the servers, the people to manage the servers, and knowing that as soon as their is a problem it will get fixed as soon as possible. If psn is so great cause its free then why the fuck are there more people paying for a service then there are those using a free service? If free is so good then psn should have damn near as many users as there are ps3’s. But we know thats not the case cause evidently there are more people that are willing to PAY for live then use Free psn. Hmm go figure
tor dav
vale was alright back in the day cough cough cs 1.5 when that was gold but there work never looked as good as any one elses.
and if you know ANY thing about gaming you’d know that half life used the quake engine. that says alot about vale to me.
just as much as a fan boy as you good buddy ole pal.
i guess you’ll never under stand the hatred i have for vale unless you’ve coded a hack that injects .dlls in to a runing game you’d never know how shitty vales work is.
and to bullyfrogwithafully01
i would never own an xbox do you know why they call it a 360? cuz when you see it you’ll do a 360 and walk away.
let that sit in your head before you reply
why are more people paying for xbl cuz there a tool and listened to word of mouth rather than doing research. most of my friends with an xbox come over and and beg to play my ps3 and get butt hurt over the fact i dont have to pay to play on line. 2 of witch sold there xbox’s and got a ps3.
and your making an baised statement “why the fuck are there more people paying for a service then there are those using a free service?” please dont pull a faux news and blend false news to your own will.
cough cough most dont know they have to pay to play on line untill they get home and plug it in and try to play on line.
the other have just do it cuz there a tool.
remember people voted for obama and then theres this “http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5WiE6MnmCM”
yo Torrance or HipHop,
how do i get into the chat with u guys on the warzone?? are the recording times posted or something?… the topics u guys cover are the same type of shit i have opinions on… i fucking find myself talking to my computer screen too many times than i should admit lol…
either way, good episode,
sole purpose i use my mp3 player lol
Torrence,
most, if not all of the games on Xbox live are not store shelf material, you wouldn’t see them for sale in a box at video game store next to Gears of War or Grand Theft Auto
the games on xbox live are mostly 2D games upgraded with some 3D elements and multiplayer added in
they are still quality games but they are similar to those Free webased flash games that you can pickup and put down…
PSN also has these type of titles… PixelJunk eden and Monsters are similar to those webbased flash games
in comparison Fully featured games like Siren: Blood Curse, Warhawk, Socom
Portal is next gen but the version of portal that’s on xbox live is more or less a bonus add on, not the full featured version
@Dongalos, As far as I know, you don’t need Orange Box to play Portal Still Alive. So it’s a sequel, not an add-on. Ikaruga has been on the shelves for both Dreamcast and Gamecube. I think it’s safe to say that it’s store shelf material. There may be more upgraded classics than originals on Xbox Live, but Omega 5, Braid, War World and Portal are only available on Xbox Live and are all HD games written for Xbox Live.
@damph, Please tell me how anyone thinks Portal isn’t next gen? When and where have you seen a game like that before? You never have. If Microsoft wanted to, they could throw games on Xbox Live for purchase but what’s the point in doing that? That’s not what Live is about. I don’t know why you hate Microsoft. I bet you use windows don’t you? Yeah, funny world we live in.
First we have HHG saying that the quality isn’t the same then he changes his story to state that retail games aren’t available for purchase on Live. Then we have fans telling us that THEY understood what HHG was saying and also agreeing with his original statement on Xbox Live game QUALITY. So what is it? Are we talking quality or distribution? Please tell me so we can end this loop of misunderstanding. Dongalos is carrying on HHG’s first argument so it makes me think that like I originally said to HHG, it’s about QUALITY not distribution.
i cant put my self in to that argument about psn hd games over xbl. i can only add a few things to it but i have no real ground to speak on it sence i only own a ps3 and played an xbox once.
and its true if Ms wanted to put games like whipe out and warhawk and games like that out they could but they dont.
but i was never talking about that at all
i use kunbuntu and unbuntu. or windows xp black witch is hex’d to hell to make it better that vista.
and my hate started for MS when i brough a gaming server for my clan in mohaa and it fucking failed for day one. i switch to a server that was runing Linux and it never crashed or lagged.
but as for me i wouldnt call 50% of the games out hd or next gen games only cuz they made them look good and they still feel like a ps2 game.
well a good time ago MS was boasting about Digital distribution and how they would be leading it. as of now i see sony is the only company putting full games for download. now i only bring up full games. as in whipe out hd. i for one havent seen much games on xbl that are near that level.
and you didnt comment on the fact you keep bringing up how xbl should be on the psn even you said before it wouldnt fix any thing. yet you bring it up.
charging wouldnt fix any problems. the problems psn face is sony built there next work around free gaming and then added in stuff. ms built every thing at once.
yo great show this week. just to comment on the whole psn and xbox live thing. i think that the problem with downloading games like burnout and ratchet and clank on psn is that you purchase the game and then sooner or later your ps3 hard drive is going to get full and you may have to delete the game(s) you’ve downloaded to make space for other things. now what if you really liked that game and you don’t wanna delete it now your in a difficult position because you’ve paid for this game and its not like you have the option to burn it onto a disc from your ps3 and use it like a normal blu-ray . now i know ps3 hard drives are big and will take alot of time to fill up but this is a possible situation. This is why i think Microsoft doesn’t want to release big games over live because they may have looked at the short term effects and realized that it may inconvenience people who don’t have or cant afford bigger hard drives and they may wanna wait untill most consumers have big hard drives to fully utilize this digital distribution then then we will probably start seeing bigger titles over xbox live. Thats maybe why Microsoft said digital distribution is the ‘future’ and not so much the ‘now’. lol anyways im no professional at analyzing the gaming world so i could be wrong and i probably am lol but all of this is just what i was thinking when listening to the discussion on the podcast.
MS says DD is the future, but they distribute tv shows, movies, arcade games, ETC… Everything except online versions of GeOW, Forza, Halo 3, ETC … on their GAME CONSOLE.
Then people say, “Well it’s not their business model”
If that’s the case. Why movies and NOT the type of games i just named on their GAME CONSOLE?
@ kyyptic27
if you delete the game you can redownload it on both psn and xbl.
i dont know how many times you can redownload it but im guessing its 5 times for psn and 5 for xbl.
im not sure about xbl tho.
but the storage issue is a scape goat you can always make your hdd bigger by adding a new one or buying a bigger one and hooking it up.
im waiting till solid state harddrives get cheaper so i can get a tb on my ps3 and never wurry about space again.
i mean really a tb is endless
@Torrence: you mentioned on the show, that you have little hope for HD-gaming in Japan. I was in Japan one year ago, so that was one year after PS 3s launch and when I went to a huge game shop, I mean not huge- and I mean not really huge – I mean Japan-huge!!! – it was as if the PS 3 hasn’t been noticed yet by anyone there at all! In my opinion there are two reasons for that and for the success those handhelds have there: 1st: (this might sound like a joke but it isn’t at all!) both real current gen consoles 360 and PS 3 are way too big for those small houses they’ve got over there. That allready was the reason for japanese gamers with the first Xbox and the PS 3 is even bigger than the first Xbox! Those houses are SMALL!
2nd: the systems are too expensive and so few people there have expensive HD TVs, so wy should they care about HD-gaming?
I think SONY hasn’t made the PS 3 for the japanese market yet. When there will be a cheaper slim version of the PS 3, there will more games for japanese gamers either and the sales will go up. Right now SONY is concentrating on the PSP in Japan and they indeed welcome the latest success of the 360 in Japan because it’s helping to interest the cosumers for HD.
As you know, I’m from Germany, so please appologize any wrong spelling or grammar!
Allready impatient for the next Warzone, kind regards!
Marc
Toerrence stop tripping xbl games are behinded psn games and thats the bottom line braid and castle crashers are fun but look at the graphics and at the end of the day your spend the same amount for games with sega graphics on xbl when you can get really next gen games like wipe out hd, R&C: QB, pain,Super stardust hd etc. on psn; And like hip hop said if you put live games on the shelf the would not sale, that Ikaruga arugement is bull the game is old this gen doesn’t want old games you can go to game stop and look at all the old remakes on 360 for dirt cheap because there not selling.