August 2nd, 2008
Warzone #9 - The Welcome Back Show!
by Torrence Davis
It’s the welcome back episode! Topics of discussion include:
- San Diego Comic Con Recap
- Ghostbusters
- Afro Samurai
- The Bag O Swag Contest
- Gamer Cribs Announcement
- The Valve PS3 dilema
- And much much more!
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John Carmack article basically said same thing
Xbox 360 is easier to developer for making it superior
Playstation 3 theoretically should be faster he said but it takes more time to do what you want to do
I own a ps3, fanboism happens cuz if you only own one system you paid so much money for it and you can’t have that other system so instead of feeling like you’re missing out you backlash on what you can’t have
Reason i got a ps3 was because of attention Xbox 360 had with Red Rings of Death, just didn’t want to have to go through that even with the 3 year warranty not because Gears of Wars was only good looking game
john carmack article i meant was the interview at the 1up site
this site rocks to, i came here after i saw the link on the playstation.blog
the next wow game is MAG, 256 players online at the same time and they have 1 world and 360 so far has only been able to put 16 players onlinewhile resistance 2 has 60.why are u calling people stupid for thinking god of war 3 graphics are CLOSE to the trailer.GAMESPOT i think said that.same thing happend to killzone 2,the cgi trailer and gameplay trailer look identical.i know god of war 3 wont look like the trailer but it will probably look close to it.not kratos’s wrinkles, trees or water will look that intense though.
In response to this weeks Show;
Firstly,in response to the new Vista push by Microsoft;Sorry,no matter how many Campaigns Microsoft launches to defend their Product,Vista is still an absolute Garbage OS compared to XP,and the reason isn’t the Interface nor the launching of STANDARD programs such as Word,IE,iTunes,etc.The problem lies in the launching and functioning of specific programs AND specific hardware that comes with programs that are used by various industries.Case in point;The Driver support for Music Sequencing and Audio Editing programs in Vista is an absolute MESS compared to what the SAME support for the SAME software is on XP.This is EXACTLY why the Mac is the preferred platform for Music creation and audio editing,Vista had the potential to deliver a similar seamless and bug free environment,but it absolutely failed from the get-go and no whatsoever Ad will change this no matter how genius the Ad is.When you’ve got 4GB of RAM and STILL encounter Memory Issues running programs that have no whatsoever issues on XP running on HALF the amount of RAM,then you know you have some serious work cut out for you.
As for the whole,”Ps3 Devs focus more on Graphics and not Gameplay!” debacle;Have we been playing the same systems this gen?Because,not only was this one of the most ignorant and laughable statements made on this Show,it was also a clear indication of how much you actually know about the Ps3 games and Ps3 development cycle.Now,not only was the statement completely inaccurate,but it was incredibly ironic to hear this coming from a Pro-360 gamer;Because the BEST Xbox 360 game to this very date,is simply a mix of Resident Evil 4 and Kill.Switch,period.Gears of War 1 is a Graphical showcase with repetitive and borrowed gameplay,a horrendous Storyline that progresses into nothing,and contains one of the most stereotypical dialogue in any video game to this very date.Enemy Variation?None.Shoot a Locust,shoot a Locust from an Emergence hole,shoot a beefed up Locust with a huge Gun(They cleverly named it the Boomer,because…It says Boom!),rinse and repeat for 5-6 hours.No outstanding gameplay,simply outstanding graphics with gameplay mechanics and gameplay sequences that heavily reek of Capcoms Resident Evil 4.I won’t even bother bringing up Resistance 1,as the HipHopGamer covered what it is quite well.
As for *other* 360 games offering more outstanding gameplay rather than Graphics compared to the Ps3 offerings?Name me Exclusives,not Multi-platform titles.And please do not even attempt to name the heavily overrated console Exclusive that is Mass Effect,not only was the gameplay INCREDIBLY linear,there was absolutely nothing at all to do on other Planets.Nothing,zilch,na-da.So much for exploring the Galaxy ay?Crackdown,a GTA ripoff with a Comic look?Forza 2,aka,Forza 1 with new Coat of Paint?Kameo,a game that was initially meant for the Gamecube to compete with Mario due to it’s blatant ripoff of Banjo and a plethora of other games?DOA 4..?I want you to name me 5 Exclusive Xbox 360 games that offer more than just pretty visuals and recycled gameplay.Not 10,not 15,just 5.
As for Microsoft having the Money to ensure their Software can appear on Multiple platforms without a hitch;OMG really?!?I was absolutely stunned when you mentioned that the biggest Software name in the Software business has some of the most skilled Software Engineers in the Business working for them!Stunned!I really was!…!…!<–Stunned!
As for the analogy regarding CELL development and Developers being the same as a Chinese man trying to communicate with a Russian?I chuckled.Because if you honestly believe the difference in Development is that grand,then I’m afraid you’ve been suckered in by the EA and Microsoft sponsored Devs screams of “Our platform is sooo much more easier to develop for!It really is yessa!”.Let me clear a few things for you;The BIGGEST problem with Ps3 development when dealing with Multi-Plat games is simply getting the GRAPHIC ENGINE created on PCs to run smoothly on Sonys machine.The keyword here is ‘Smoothly’.Developers weren’t having trouble with the Unreal Engine on the Ps3 because the Ps3 couldn’t understand the Unreal Engine,they were having problems with it because after the Ps3 UNDERSTOOD the Engine,there were(and for smaller devs,still are)problems that AROSE with in-game assets and cut-scenes that appeared at the time,to be completely random.These same issues were NOT present on the Xbox 360.So is it easier to develop Multi-Platform games on the 360?Yes,only a fool would deny it.But is it impossible for Devs to wrap their heads around the CELL Architecture?N.O.P.E.
Lastly,here’s a slight heads up regarding Valve and the Ps3 situation;Valve now have absolutely no whatsoever majority say when it comes to their games appearing on Multiple Platforms;If EA wants their game on Macs,Valves game will be on Macs.If EA wants their game on Mobile Phones,EA will put their game on Mobile Phones.If EA want Left 4 Dead to be on the Playstation 3 as it can make them a couple of Million Dollars at no extra Marketing cost,EA will put Left 4 Dead on the Ps3.Watch as this happens.
I read halfway through the above post, and decided you cant bother to reply to someone such as N4Guser. Maybe I will continute to read it later, but it sounds like fanboy dribble. Sounds like DARKPOWER in disguise.
If you know everything why aren’t you playing the games instead of making them.
P.S Gamers will decide what is fun and what they enjoy better. Lets see what sells more copies, my bet goes on Gears.
Fanboy dribble?The truth is now considered fanboy dribble?
I’m sorry,but YOU are the one that is now appearing to be spitting fanboy dribble,as not only do you immediately and falsely assume I am another User due to the way my Comment ‘looks’,but your affection for a Video game box has led you to believe that all honesty regarding the said box is somewhat of a ‘Fanboy’ attack.
Once you stop Jizzing in your Consoles disk tray and actually READ what I wrote regarding the inaccuracies and false statements stated and implied by yourself and Davis,maybe then you’ll realize how foolish your above statement is.
“Gamers will decide what is fun and what they enjoy better. Lets see what sells more copies, my bet goes on Gears.”
So now the Argument isn’t about Gameplay and Graphics,it’s about Sales?Jesus,your flip flopping is worse than McCain.
Gears of War 2 will sell a lot,period.The Sales of Gears of War 2,do not determine whether or not Gears of War 2 offers a fantastic and fresh gameplay experience.More Sales=/=Better game play.The last time I checked,Wii Sports had sold over 6 Million individual,that is,unbundled,copies.
By your Logic,Wii Sports is a better game than Gears of War.Do you not see the flaw in your thought pattern?
Just because I said PS3 devs concentrate more on graphics than gameplay, that doesn’t mean that the gameplay isn’t good. I’ll give you a few examples to back up my statement.
GT5P - Best GT in the series so far. Physics are finally working well, graphics are the best in any racing game. Online sucks complete balls and without any kind of car damage, you get knocked off the road online while others cruise past you. Those are gameplay issues. The graphics in GT5P outweigh the gameplay.
Lair - Do I need to go into detail about how gorgeous this game is but how hated it is in the industry because of the controls and gameplay?
MGS4 - Yep, I said it. MGS4! Great looking game, great story telling and great graphics. I think the graphics and story outweigh the actual gameplay. Again, that’s not saying the gameplay is bad. It’s really fun sneaking around and doing shit, but still, the graphics and story are what people are buying this for. Plus, I hate being taken out of an intense scene for cinemas.
Haze - Haze was said to be a Halo killer by not only the devs, but tons of PS3 fanboys alike. It didn’t meet Halo on gameplay AT ALL! Graphically it was ok IMHO.
Ratchet & Clank - Boring ass 3D platformer. I don’t like 3D platform games at all. In fact, the only one I really enjoy is Sonic Adventure. Spyro, R&C, Jak & Daxter are all hated by me. Now, it’s not to say that R&C isn’t goregous. I just thought the gameplay was too repetitive and boring. My opinion only here.
So I’ve named a few games, exclusive games to be exact, to back up my statement. Now for 5 exclusive 360 games that offer outstanding gameplay over graphics.
Crackdown - Yep, a GTA clone that kicked ass! It’s the most fun I’ve had in a sandbox game in awhile. The upgrades, gunplay and driving were all top notch.
Shadowrun - Just the demo alone was amazing. I played it online for several hours. Not a graphic powerhouse but still looked great! Gameplay won over graphics here.
Halo 3 - While not MUCH better looking than Halo 2, Halo 3 gave us the best gameplay in the series, on and offline. It’s still incredibly fun to play after all this time and will continue to be one of the funnest FPS games this generation.
Ace Combat 6 - Do I really need to hype this one up? There isn’t a flight sim on any console or PC that matches this game. Tons of planes, gorgeous photorealistic planes, online play that’s in a class of its own and voice chat to boot! The core gameplay of AC6 is the reason why it’s so great. The incredibly detailed graphics are just the cherry on the top.
Test Drive Unlimited - This game set the bar for online racing. It’s fun as hell and Burnout Paradise took a lot of it’s core ideas from this game. Race with friends, race with strangers, create your own courses on the fly and even upgrade your cars. I played this game solid until Gears came out. It’s still one of my favorite racing games and has better online features than Burnout Paradise.
There’s my 5. So understand what I mean when I say PS3 devs put more into graphics than gameplay. I didn’t mean ALL games across the board, just a few of the top exclusives. Heavenly Sword is a graphic and gameplay power house. So is Motorstorm.
Do you see where I’m coming from now?
Thanks for listening. Hope to see you back next week.
You guys crack me up. Well i got lost odyssey last week, and I really enjoy the game. Disc switching really hasn’t been a problem for me. I love bluray because i don’t have to switch discs, but My hd is filling up faster on the ps3. That kind of annoys me. Anyhow you guys had a good show again.
Ace Combat-No doubt about it.But Warhawk cancels this out.
Crackdown?The ability to jump from one building to another and pile up cars which you can destroy,this is evidence of Devs showing more Gameplay than Graphics emphasis?
And Shadowrun?I can understand Prey if it were mentioned,but Shadowrun?
Torrence I disagree with you on Ratchet Future, that game had so much variety that Gamespot dissed the game for having too much variety.You have so many interesting weapons that is never gets boring. I agree with you on Crackdown and I think that games was so fun but Shadowrun sucks I’m sorry but for me to pay 64 bucks for online multiplayer game I’m sorry. I agree with you on everything else except Ratchet and Shadowrun. Torrence what you think about Infamous?
How does Warhawk cancel it out?
Torrence you killed Dark Power I think you should apologize
I wasn’t impressed with Infamous. It didn’t give me that wow factor. I’ll wait until it’s playable though.
I don’t appreciate people using things like obesity to win an argument. Maybe DP will shut the fuck up now.
Good show! Great analogies! I don’t have a problem with Vista but I wish it did support more things…I like how smooth it runs and how it looks …It has pretty cool features like that one search feature in the start menu (its useful :D) and couple of other things…and for the installs for the PS3 and switching disc thing for the 360….I think if your lazy but patient, it’s better to go with the installs….but if your not lazy and are impatient, it’s better to go with switching discs……You guys pretty much said a lot of agreeable things….and I didn’t know who to agree with more….You guys didn’t have one thing that I disagree with…You guys are all smart, funny, and cool….and let’s not be enemies…Let your friends be close and your enemies closer
Siren: Blood curse
better gameplay than graphics
if that’s your sort of game
and its all opinions when it comes to likes/dislikes on game graphics/gameplay so arguing over it kinda pointless but yeah
“How does Warhawk cancel it out?”
In the same way Geometry Wars cancels out Super Stardust HD.
Same way Pixel Junk Eden has absolutely NO whatsoever competitor right now in terms of Innovation and Creativity.
Did I mention Pixel Junk Eden has more Gameplay than Graphics
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Are you guys going to have a podcast with chatroom enabled? So that while your talking/chatting, you can see what we’re saying and talk about it (or maybe ignore it if it’s horny or something stupid conversation..)…and answer questions if we have any…?:P
Did I also mention that Geometry Wars is also available for the Wii AND Ds,and is thus a Multi-Platform Title?
AC6 is a flight simulator, Warhawk is a 3D action flight game. They are not in the same playing field.
“I don’t have a problem with Vista but I wish it did support more things”
Judging by your name,I assume you use FL Studio?If not,then regardless,I think it should be mentioned again how horrible Vista is for Audio Production and Editing.
When the Industry ’standard’ software,that is,Pro Tools,isn’t fully supported by the most Popular OS Brand out there and literally goes berserk whenever a Vista Update is downloaded,I think I have the right to call out the pathetic Operating System until the problem is fixed.
“AC6 is a flight simulator, Warhawk is a 3D action flight game. They are not in the same playing field.”
And yet,when Gears of War is compared to Resistance,no one takes note.
See how easy it is to expose the obvious flaws in Logic?
No I agree with that. I hate when people compare Gears to Resistance. They should be comparing Gears to Uncharted.
True,both have heavily borrowed Gameplay Mechanics from other games(Gears of War:Resident Evil 4,Kill Switch.Uncharted:Tomb Raider,Gears of War).
One has the advantage of having an Online Mode,the other has the advantage of having an Actual Story.
I do have FL Studio but I don’t mess with it much…and my name has to do with gaming mostly…
I must say this has been the most interesting warzone show to date! It was absolutely fantastic and I must say that its great to see you guys back doing what you do most, discuss things going on in the gaming world.
Now when it comes down to these stupid ass debates about which games are better, you have to realize that at the end of the day its just opinions. You guys have used analogies in this show alot, but I have one of my own lol. Lets use shoes. Now, lets say that you have one guy who chooses to wear an all white pair of nike air force ones and a guy who chooses to wear an all white pair of adidas superstars. Whats the difference? They both look good with any outfit you choose to wear and they are fashionable. I say that because of games like gears of war and uncharted. They use the same dynamic, but they appeal to certain gamers. Some people might say oh Gears story sucks or its great and the same can be said about uncharted. But at the end of the day, they are both enjoyable games. If anyone disagrees, then thats their opinion. Im not gonna sit here and argue about what games are good and what games suck, because its not a FACT and because its only a thing a fanboy would do 2 justify their purchase. Now I can try 2 convince to you that a certain game is great, but im not going 2 tell you not 2 play it because I think it sucks. In the end, you could only decide that for yourself and not depend on what other people say.
Why am I bringing this up? Well, I’ll use a game that I plan on getting in 2 weeks as an example. This game happens 2 be madden 2009. Many websites have said “Don’t pick up Madden this year because its garbage.” Do you really think Im gonna listen to those people? I like madden and have liked it for years. Do I wish they still had competition? HELL YEAH!!! Because with competition you get better games. Madden has always been my football fix every year(even after NFL 2K’s demise), and I have enjoyed it. Yeah last year’s madden ran at 30fps(for PS3 users), but I still enjoyed it and it was fun!
Now with this whole fiasco about John Carmack and his game rage. The same can also said about FFXIII. Why won’t people just wake up and realize that they will be playing these great games no matter which platform they own? Sure, the 360 version will be getting multiple discs for it. BUT, that doesn’t mean it won’t have the same experience as the PS3 and PC versions.
Valve, Valve, VALVE!!! Im so sick and tired of hearing people complain about Valve. Valve are PC developers, not console developers. Me personally, I haven’t played the Half-Life series or the Orange Box. So I wouldn’t know what it was about. I only own a PS3(nowhere near a fanboy) and I must say that if EA decides to port Left 4 Dead for the PS3, I will be one happy but very broke gamer this holiday lol. If anything that was truely bad about the Orange Box(PS3 version) that I heard about, it had to be the Team Fortress 2 part of it. Besides that I didn’t hear much bad about it. Now that EA has the resources for great ports(ex. Madden at 60fps and Dead Space development starting on PS3) they shouldn’t have much problems with Left 4 Dead if they decide to do that.
Phew that was long, Im definitely looking forward to next week’s show and I can’t wait!!! Hey Tor, why do you have to get me hyped at the end of show now by playing BDP? Im listing to By All Means Necessary right now because of that stunt you pulled at the end of the show. Keep it up, I hope I get to hear My Philosophy in the next show lol. Talk 2 you peeps later, PEACE!
HAHA Great post Saxyboy! I was hoping people would take note of some of the music I play on the show. I will be playing more KRS ONE in the future cuz he is my number one favorite emcee!
That was a great analogy you used too!
Next week I’m gonna talk about why PS3 fans and fanboys always debate about exclusives and not multiplayer games when comparing PS3 to 360. I can go tit for tat with exclusives on each console. But really, what’s the point?! Games are games. Does it matter if it’s exclusive or not? I’m done arguing about that and I’m done telling people about all the great 360 exclusives that they won’t bother to PLAY! So yeah, next week.
Peace!!
The rapper making a country record analogy makes no sense.
Developers make video games
Rappers don’t make country, classical, or folk records.
Rappers usually don’t deal with the equipment aspect (i.e. hardware)
Telling a dev to code for _________? platform is usually a devs job.
Telling a rapper to make a ________? is usually NOT his job.
Also, Carmack can talk about this and that, but until the 360 puts out a better looking game than Uncharted (a first year PS3 titlle) and surpass Gears (a 2006 360 title) it’s still all talk.
exclusives are important to a console because they make that console stand apart from the others on the market
So these comparisons about graphics power of 360, PS3 - if they are basically the same in what they can do and the 360 is the cheaper console then what other methods can the PS3 show to consumers to sell itself?
Blu-ray? Okay thats one thing some people are buying ps3 just for that feature but is that all? Is it just a media player then?
Games like Metal Gear Solid 4 are what make people want to buy the PS3 until its possibly available on the 360 or Halo 3 and Gears of War franchise are what make people buy the xbox 360 because they enjoy those exclusives….If Mario Kart and Mario Galaxy and Zelda Appeared on 360 and PS3 would the Wii have sold as much
I think Exclusives are one of the main reasons people buy a certain console over the other
and people who only own one console “can’t be bothered” not because we don’t want to but because its too expensive for many of us to shell out more money to buy it….It’s like we are forced in a way to buy only one and since we can’t afford the other its better to just bash it lol
“I can go tit for tat with exclusives on each console.”
Actually,this is another flaw I should have addressed;The Exclusive debacle.Let’s quickly shoot this down,as I feel we’ve spent too many lines of Text on trying to subtly 1up each other rather than getting to the Core reality.
By definition,Exclusive simply means “not divided or shared with others”.Another definition of Exclusive:”single(a): not divided among or brought to bear on more than one object or objective”
So with this in place ^,in comes the inevitable and clear as day truth;The biggest and brightest Xbox 360 “Exclusives” can be played WITHOUT an Xbox 360.So the term “Exclusives” should NOT be present AT ALL when discussing games that Developers have made to run on more than ONE Platform.
In case this sounds a tad bit confusing(It really shouldn’t,because by Definition and Practice all that I have stated so far in this comment are Facts and none of it is Opinion),let me list a few noteworthy games on the Xbox 360 that can ONLY be played if you have an Xbox 360(In other words,there exists no other Platform where you can play the Game);
Crackdown,Forza 2,Halo 3,DOA4,Ninja Gaiden 2,Kameo,Ace Combat 6,Blue Dragon,Lost Odyssey,Perfect Dark Zero,etc.
Now let me list Playstation 3 games that can ONLY be played if you have a Playstation 3:
Heavenly Sword,Resistance,Gran Turismo 5:Prologue,Uncharted,Ratchet &Clank Future,Warhawk,Lair,Metal Gear Solid 4,Motorstorm,Folklore,etc.
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See,there’s this mentality that exists in both the minds of ‘Journalists’ and the minds of ‘Fanboys’;the mentality that the Xbox 360 has thousands and thousands more ‘Exclusives’ than the Playstation 3,and that the ‘Exclusives’ that it has,are all higher ranked and are all the top games of this gen!
http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/9096/41101859eu3.jpg
^ The Top 10 Software for both the Ps3 and Xbox 360 on Game Rankings.Notice something that Journalists and Fanboys seem to ‘miss’ whenever the Exclusive debate comes up?I’m sure you do.The most praised Xbox 360 games can be played *without* an Xbox 360 and are thus NOT Xbox 360 Exclusives,and the ones that aren’t the hot stuff are the ones that are ACTUALLY exclusive to the Platform.
With the way things have panned out these past few months and with the way they’re looking to pan out for the upcoming months and into next Year,you better hope for 3 things:
1)Too Human becomes a success and sells upwards of 2 Million Copies.
2)Itagaki wasn’t the sole reason why Ninja Gaiden 2 and DOA4 aren’t on the Ps3(That is,his departure won’t affect the ‘Exclusive’ status of the Xbox 360 Only games he’s worked on).
3)Microsoft have some actual Exclusives to announce in the near future.Because,at this point,their Exclusive lineup is absolutely pathetic.
This is my last Comment,as I think all the points I wanted to make have already been made.To the Hip Hop Gamer,next time you get on the Warzone,please don’t forget to remind Davis and Anthony that the most praised game of E3,Little Big Planet,is Exclusive to the Playstation 3,and the most praised downloadable game of E3,Fat Princess,is Exclusive to the Playstation 3.
Sorry,I didn’t see this Comment and feel like it should be addressed:
“Also, Carmack can talk about this and that, but until the 360 puts out a better looking game than Uncharted (a first year PS3 titlle) and surpass Gears (a 2006 360 title) it’s still all talk.”
I couldn’t agree more.Let me share with you some Screen shots of his upcoming Wolfenstein game;
http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/9131/churchheavytrooper3mp6.jpg
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/675/churchnazisgraveyardjw7.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/1066/midtownwestnaziofficerxt8.jpg
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And guess what the lead platform is for this horrendously looking title?I suppose you already know ; )
So Note to John Carmack; Put up,or Shut up.
@2501 - Snoop Dog is putting out a Country album. Hiphopgamer is a recording artist. He makes music. So does Reba Macintire. They are both recording artists. Country sounds different but it’s still music. If Hiphopgamer can’t sing, well then according to my analogy he should learn to sing so Country fans can enjoy his music. Same analogy applies to 360 developers who don’t want to learn to code on the PS3. Valve should learn the PS3 to so PS3 fans can enjoy their games.
@N4Guser - NONONO don’t leave yet. 360 has more exclusives because it’s existed longer than the PS3. But again, who gives a fuck who has more exclusives? If you can’t afford both systems, buy the one that has the games you like. I own PS3, 360, Wii, Sega Dreamcast, PS2, Sega Saturn and a PC that plays games. Do you think exclusives affect me at all? Nope, but to the single console owner it becomes a problem. My question is WHY DO WE DEBATE OVER WHO HAS MORE OR WHO HAS BETTER EXCLUSIVES?!!? What’s the point? Are you trying to prove that PS3 is a better system to own because it has better exclusives? Are you trying to get those would be console owners to pick the PS3 over the 360? What if they don’t like PS3 exclusives? What if they don’t like 360 exclusives? Yeah, as far as the Wii goes, that system is surviving on exclusives. I wouldn’t say the same for PS3 and 360 though. And what’s wrong with multiplatform titles? Do you know that to get your PC up to snuff to play Gears or UT3 you need to spend a few hundred on a good video card and memory? That’s enough to buy a console right there. Don’t get me started on PC gaming, I’m pretty much done with upgrading my box. The PS3 and 360 give me all the power I need without having to upgrade my PC yet again to play COD4 or Bioshock.
So just answer my question. What’s the point of debating exclusives? Are you a single console owner? Have you played Shadowrun or do you only use other peoples opinions to manifest your own? I’m done with the whole exclusives argument. Unless you can tell me why you think it’s important that PS3 exclusives look better…LOOK better than 360 exclusives, we have nothing to debate about. It’s a dumb argument and PS3 fans and fanboys are using it too much. Halo 3 gets slammed left and right for not raising the bar on graphics. Yet it’s been THE NUMBER ONE played game on Xbox Live for months. It just recently dethroned COD4 (a better game IMO) and that’s saying a lot.
So before you leave N4Guser, please answer my questions.
You said no one gave a fuck when FFVII & MGS was multidisc.
Riddle me this.
What were the other alternatives to cd’s at that time?
Cartridges?
Compare that to the alternatives NOW.
“My question is WHY DO WE DEBATE OVER WHO HAS MORE OR WHO HAS BETTER EXCLUSIVES?!!? What’s the point? Are you trying to prove that PS3 is a better system to own because it has better exclusives?”
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comes down to stupid pride i think
I think its because we want what we own to be the best, it’s like sports teams or anything anyone identifies with as their own, they feel like crap if they start to compare to something else that might be better…if its worse then they’ll jump on it to like put it down more
I guess you could also own all consoles and still feel favoritism towards one if you’ve had bad experiences like red ring of death or Sony’s Yellow light of death or even fanboys might annoy you that are considered Xbots or Sony Defense Force
In a nutshell.
What i mean is a artist USUALLY only deals with his/her lyrics and NOT the soudboard or engineering equipment.
A dev USUALLY only deals with the technical aspect.
Devs are USUALLY not out of there element.
Asking a rapper to do country is still music, but it’s also OUT of there element.
The analogy should’ve been:
Ask said rapper to learn how to use the sound equipment and learn how to use the machines that print the cd’s and vinyl.
Getting a chinese person to learn russian is one thing.
Getting a chinese person to learn the essence of russian and where it came from then write a russian dictinary is another.
Yo torrence, Candid, and hip hop another great show this has made my vacation better cause i was about to kill my girlfriend and her son if i had to watch cartoons in the hotel one more night lol.
But i agree with you on the whole it doesnt make sense to argue about exclusivity unless you are a one console owner and you arent happy with your purchase and you want to hide the fact that your unhappy. Think about it when has a grown man actually gave a rats ass about what another man buys with his money? They don’t this whole console war thing is something that spoiled little kids bring up and then you get teenagers with nothing better to do that add to it and then i still to this day am trying to figure out why grown ass adults are arguing about this. I could see if you work for a company then its your job to debate that kind of stuff but if you don’t and you are just buying a game or console you will get whats right for you not what other people think about it. Me being a gamer and even though half the time i cant afford it i get all consoles every generation because i feel i have to experience it all.
Some may not feel the same way but thats thier preference and to bash some one else because they like this or that is just stupid.
Now for you people that get on here and try to act like you know it all, if you did you would have your own site, or blog and you wouldnt feel the need to post your biased fanboy opinions on here. But like i and every one else that has a brain knows you don’t know every thing and you are just on here to try to make yourself sound like your smart.
People can say that fanboys have been around forever but not like they are now. When you where a kid i know when i was every one i know had both consoles (nintendo, sega) and the argument wasnt what console was better but what game was more fun mario or sonic. We also didnt back in the day call each other dipshits, and all sorts of other names just because one thought the other was better. I don’t know maybe its because of this internet thing and people can blab all kinds of things with out consequence thats why we have so much bashing now but its just plain stupid and to the rest of the world we look like idiots.
As gamers we should be happy that we have choice, we should be happy that gaming can be benifical both in learning and in getting paid, and we should be happy that we have seen some of the best developing and innovations in along time. Like torrence said its a great time to be a gamer and we should stop waisting our game time bickering about things that are based on opinion, and not facts. I love my ps3 but i have more fun on 360, does that mean i think my ps3 is crap no i just enjoy aspects of 360 better than ps3, same way the other way around. Then their are times i don’t want to play either and want to just play my wii to have some quick fun. Its all on opinion and what one person likes and dislikes is not the same for every one. till next time game on and 1 luv
@Bullywithafully - BRAVO! Clap! Clap! I couldn’t have said it better! That is absolutely the best post I have read in months. A TRUE GAMER indeed! Expect to see your name in lights next Saturday!
@Bullywithafully - I couldn’t agree with you more. When you mentioned the Nintendo/Sega era of gaming, I started having flashbacks like crazy. You’re absolutely right, because I remember being in elementary school and having a Genesis while most of my friends had an SNES. We used to just talk about how fun the games were. There was no such thing as bashing a game or bashing consoles. Most importantly, fanboys didn’t exist. If anything there were fanboys of gaming because games wasn’t nowhere near as mainstream as they are now. I couldn’t go in-depth about games in the past because I don’t remember them that much. Im only 20 yrs old and soon 2 be 21 at the end of this month, but I consider myself a veteran gamer because of gaming for as long as I have. I only own a PS3, but you don’t see me going place to place 2 bash a game or a console because I don’t have it or can’t play it. I have friends that own a 360, and we often go over each others houses and game on each others systems. They always ask me, when are you getting a 360? I tell them when I have enough money saved up to get one lol.
Times is hard(for me) because Im still in college, taking care of my grandma and working part time. But I appreciate what has been going on in the gaming world. Tor has stated “Its a great time to be a gamer” and he’s telling the absolute truth. I just wish I was able to play the games he, candid, and hip hop have played on the 360 and talk about all the time so I’ll be able to have input. But yeah I had to let that be known, because there are people who don’t own all consoles that are just as well a true gamer. Thanks for that Bullywithafully.
Thanks i appreciate it! I just try to keep it real. Just like some of you on here i get tired of all the bs that is blabed on forums. People calling people out of they names, disrespecting companies, and developers that know more about the business then they do, its just real stupid and getting real old. I get on forums to discuss things and debate games not get in to a war of words about opinions, and perspective. We all are supposed to be in it for the games but some people just don’t understand what they do to the industry bickering like they do.
Thats why i like it here i get both sides of the fence with honest opinions and views on both.