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		<title>By: Torrence Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.thebitbag.com/2008/04/25/only-white-people-can-be-zombies/comment-page-1/#comment-5950</link>
		<dc:creator>Torrence Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 07:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DemonikElektro</title>
		<link>http://www.thebitbag.com/2008/04/25/only-white-people-can-be-zombies/comment-page-1/#comment-2536</link>
		<dc:creator>DemonikElektro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 09:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do have to agree that it is very rare to find any instance of a main character as being black, but I&#039;ve been doing a little research and I only have found a handful of games that has the Main Character/Supportive Role as a black person.

 Shadow Man, Men of Valor, Indigo Prophecy  (1 of 3 protagonist in the game), SiN &amp; SiN Episodes 1: Emergence , Killer 7,Urban Chaos, Crackdown, Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard, (Main character is Black),Sand Storm - Revelations,

 I really do wish that they did a bit more Blacks as a Main Character in a not so thuggish way</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do have to agree that it is very rare to find any instance of a main character as being black, but I&#8217;ve been doing a little research and I only have found a handful of games that has the Main Character/Supportive Role as a black person.</p>
<p> Shadow Man, Men of Valor, Indigo Prophecy  (1 of 3 protagonist in the game), SiN &amp; SiN Episodes 1: Emergence , Killer 7,Urban Chaos, Crackdown, Elder Scrolls Adventures: Redguard, (Main character is Black),Sand Storm &#8211; Revelations,</p>
<p> I really do wish that they did a bit more Blacks as a Main Character in a not so thuggish way</p>
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		<title>By: AlainWinthrope</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlainWinthrope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2008 02:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not simply an issue of what color the zombies are, you have to take the context into consideration.  Killing black folks mixed among white folks isn&#039;t a big deal because, in that case, race really doesn&#039;t matter.  It&#039;s ignorant, however, to assert that we should ignore race when there&#039;s an extreme homogeneity in a game&#039;s targets that conflicts with the race of the player character.  We ARE NOT in a post-race society as some of you would like to think.  As long as Blacks continue to occupy a disadvantaged place in society and in the world, race ABSOLUTELY DOES matter.  

The fact that you say otherwise as African Americans yourselves does not grant you any more ethos on the subject than I, as a Caucasian, am entitled to.  In this discussion, race doesn&#039;t really matter.  We exist here as equal entities in an equal discourse.  However, I&#039;d have to say we OUGHT to take it into account if a PRIVILEGED WHITE MALE from a FIRST WORLD COUNTRY went to a historically ravaged THIRD WORLD CONTINENT to kill--with diplomatic immunity--Black individuals who have little material wealth and a disease that is a painfully easy parallel to AIDS.  

Is it a simplified reaction to simply shout, &quot;racist&quot;?  Of course.  It&#039;s as much a class and privilege issue as it is one of race, but, unlike &quot;Boyz In The Hood&quot; and GTA, we certainly can&#039;t expect a redeeming theme out of Capcom for gunning down the Aids infested Underprivileged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not simply an issue of what color the zombies are, you have to take the context into consideration.  Killing black folks mixed among white folks isn&#8217;t a big deal because, in that case, race really doesn&#8217;t matter.  It&#8217;s ignorant, however, to assert that we should ignore race when there&#8217;s an extreme homogeneity in a game&#8217;s targets that conflicts with the race of the player character.  We ARE NOT in a post-race society as some of you would like to think.  As long as Blacks continue to occupy a disadvantaged place in society and in the world, race ABSOLUTELY DOES matter.  </p>
<p>The fact that you say otherwise as African Americans yourselves does not grant you any more ethos on the subject than I, as a Caucasian, am entitled to.  In this discussion, race doesn&#8217;t really matter.  We exist here as equal entities in an equal discourse.  However, I&#8217;d have to say we OUGHT to take it into account if a PRIVILEGED WHITE MALE from a FIRST WORLD COUNTRY went to a historically ravaged THIRD WORLD CONTINENT to kill&#8211;with diplomatic immunity&#8211;Black individuals who have little material wealth and a disease that is a painfully easy parallel to AIDS.  </p>
<p>Is it a simplified reaction to simply shout, &#8220;racist&#8221;?  Of course.  It&#8217;s as much a class and privilege issue as it is one of race, but, unlike &#8220;Boyz In The Hood&#8221; and GTA, we certainly can&#8217;t expect a redeeming theme out of Capcom for gunning down the Aids infested Underprivileged.</p>
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		<title>By: Mellow129</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mellow129</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 12:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t like it?
Go back to school, learn to make your own game, and do it the way you would want it.  If its good people will play it. Not much will get done if all you do is bitch n&#039; moan for the game developers to include your flavor of main character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t like it?<br />
Go back to school, learn to make your own game, and do it the way you would want it.  If its good people will play it. Not much will get done if all you do is bitch n&#8217; moan for the game developers to include your flavor of main character.</p>
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		<title>By: Unchow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Unchow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 20:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would agree that there tends to be a lack of representation of non-white culture in video games.  Just trying to think of instances where you have black main characters, Im having a little trouble.  I do know that in the MMO Guild Wars you have a wide spectrum of colors to make your playable character, including a couple shades of black.  additionally, the third campaign of the series takes place in a fantasy-version of ancient africa, much in the same way that the first is a fantasy version of old europe and the second likewise treats asia/japan.  

I think the lack of representation of culture in main playable characters in most games can be traced back to the problem that a lot of video games have with a simple lack of actual character.  Meaning, the playable character is usually a hallow shell with no personality, and is a mere manifestation of the player in the game universe.  If more time was taken to create characters with actual character, it would be easier to have, say, a black male who grew up in the projects, and has a &quot;Im going to make it in life and get out of here while I still can&quot; kind of attitude, which would be a refreshing video game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree that there tends to be a lack of representation of non-white culture in video games.  Just trying to think of instances where you have black main characters, Im having a little trouble.  I do know that in the MMO Guild Wars you have a wide spectrum of colors to make your playable character, including a couple shades of black.  additionally, the third campaign of the series takes place in a fantasy-version of ancient africa, much in the same way that the first is a fantasy version of old europe and the second likewise treats asia/japan.  </p>
<p>I think the lack of representation of culture in main playable characters in most games can be traced back to the problem that a lot of video games have with a simple lack of actual character.  Meaning, the playable character is usually a hallow shell with no personality, and is a mere manifestation of the player in the game universe.  If more time was taken to create characters with actual character, it would be easier to have, say, a black male who grew up in the projects, and has a &#8220;Im going to make it in life and get out of here while I still can&#8221; kind of attitude, which would be a refreshing video game.</p>
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		<title>By: sunpop</title>
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		<dc:creator>sunpop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked this article because its true anyone can be zombie if you want equality doesn&#039;t matter what race or sex you have to accept all that comes with it the bad and the good. Playing the race card on every damn thing is a idiotic move. There are some games that have a black Asian or any no white main character if you ever played mercenaries ones even sweedish. Sure there aren&#039;t as many yet but there making more games have a main character that not white or optional on race.

The point is people need to bitch less and accept things because they say there portraying the blacks as savages but like I have said before what do you wants well behaved gents? Realism is adding any race and sex and just because i have to i don&#039;t think you can have anything but pale white vampires because there dead and loose skin color (man i&#039;m a nerd).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked this article because its true anyone can be zombie if you want equality doesn&#8217;t matter what race or sex you have to accept all that comes with it the bad and the good. Playing the race card on every damn thing is a idiotic move. There are some games that have a black Asian or any no white main character if you ever played mercenaries ones even sweedish. Sure there aren&#8217;t as many yet but there making more games have a main character that not white or optional on race.</p>
<p>The point is people need to bitch less and accept things because they say there portraying the blacks as savages but like I have said before what do you wants well behaved gents? Realism is adding any race and sex and just because i have to i don&#8217;t think you can have anything but pale white vampires because there dead and loose skin color (man i&#8217;m a nerd).</p>
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		<title>By: Jago</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jago</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 01:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow nicely worded my friend. I&#039;m glad to see that there are people in this world that don&#039;t see everything as color lines.

I myself am of mixed racial background (White &amp; Puerto Rican) but it doesn&#039;t bother me one bit that 99% of games don&#039;t include a character that is of Latino decent. I see games as just that...GAMES...ENTERTAINMENT. Unless it is spewing out hate speech and willingly targeting specific races or groups of people then I&#039;ll make a stink about and not buy or play it.

As for the people who see RE5 as &quot;racist&quot;? Sorry but those people are the true racists.

People who see everything on a color line level are the same people who complain about racism...think about that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow nicely worded my friend. I&#8217;m glad to see that there are people in this world that don&#8217;t see everything as color lines.</p>
<p>I myself am of mixed racial background (White &amp; Puerto Rican) but it doesn&#8217;t bother me one bit that 99% of games don&#8217;t include a character that is of Latino decent. I see games as just that&#8230;GAMES&#8230;ENTERTAINMENT. Unless it is spewing out hate speech and willingly targeting specific races or groups of people then I&#8217;ll make a stink about and not buy or play it.</p>
<p>As for the people who see RE5 as &#8220;racist&#8221;? Sorry but those people are the true racists.</p>
<p>People who see everything on a color line level are the same people who complain about racism&#8230;think about that one.</p>
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		<title>By: Torrence Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Torrence Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 03:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A lone white protagonist fighting off hordes of diseased third-worlders is racist, pure and simple, up and down.&quot;

No it&#039;s not racist.  It&#039;s a guy protecting himself from a mob of zombies.  The fact that the protagonists is white and the zombies are black shouldn&#039;t matter.  If it was a black guy and a mob of white zombies would you still say it was racist?  Are you saying that we can never have a story where a large group of Africans turn into zombies and attack some white guy?

Your logic has some faults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A lone white protagonist fighting off hordes of diseased third-worlders is racist, pure and simple, up and down.&#8221;</p>
<p>No it&#8217;s not racist.  It&#8217;s a guy protecting himself from a mob of zombies.  The fact that the protagonists is white and the zombies are black shouldn&#8217;t matter.  If it was a black guy and a mob of white zombies would you still say it was racist?  Are you saying that we can never have a story where a large group of Africans turn into zombies and attack some white guy?</p>
<p>Your logic has some faults.</p>
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		<title>By: saurabh</title>
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		<dc:creator>saurabh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 20:20:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Appealing to &quot;demographics&quot; is a copout. That&#039;s why video games remain the domain of white middle-class males - because of pandering. &quot;Well, we have to fill our games with hot girls with big titties, because that&#039;s how the demographics work. Our games are played by young men, so we have to cater to their desires! Sorry, ladies.&quot;

I refuse to believe that bullshit. Plenty of worthwhile games have been made that don&#039;t feature that sort of stupid demographic pandering, and there&#039;s no reason why game makers should continue to pander. I want to expand the base of people who play video games, and I want better, more creative, less brainless and exploitative video games that actually say and teach intelligent things to the players.

The same applies to RE5 - one of the above comments about some &quot;scary tribal shit&quot; indicates precisely how racist the game&#039;s premise is. A lone white protagonist fighting off hordes of diseased third-worlders is racist, pure and simple, up and down. You want more representation of black people in media? Sure, so do I. But in fact, black people have been represented in all sorts of media for decades. But rarely is that representation positive. So, yes, more black people in games, but let&#039;s actually have them be portrayed as real human beings worth caring about, not as flunkies we can eliminate on our way to 100% completion. See Half-Life 2 : Ep 2 for a great example of positive portrayal.

Incidentally, you obviously didn&#039;t get anything out of your viewing of Boyz N the Hood. The reason it was critically acclaimed was because it had intelligent things to say about WHY the situation of black young men is the way it is. Not because it had black guys calling each other &quot;nigger&quot;. Any of a hundred other movies would do for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Appealing to &#8220;demographics&#8221; is a copout. That&#8217;s why video games remain the domain of white middle-class males &#8211; because of pandering. &#8220;Well, we have to fill our games with hot girls with big titties, because that&#8217;s how the demographics work. Our games are played by young men, so we have to cater to their desires! Sorry, ladies.&#8221;</p>
<p>I refuse to believe that bullshit. Plenty of worthwhile games have been made that don&#8217;t feature that sort of stupid demographic pandering, and there&#8217;s no reason why game makers should continue to pander. I want to expand the base of people who play video games, and I want better, more creative, less brainless and exploitative video games that actually say and teach intelligent things to the players.</p>
<p>The same applies to RE5 &#8211; one of the above comments about some &#8220;scary tribal shit&#8221; indicates precisely how racist the game&#8217;s premise is. A lone white protagonist fighting off hordes of diseased third-worlders is racist, pure and simple, up and down. You want more representation of black people in media? Sure, so do I. But in fact, black people have been represented in all sorts of media for decades. But rarely is that representation positive. So, yes, more black people in games, but let&#8217;s actually have them be portrayed as real human beings worth caring about, not as flunkies we can eliminate on our way to 100% completion. See Half-Life 2 : Ep 2 for a great example of positive portrayal.</p>
<p>Incidentally, you obviously didn&#8217;t get anything out of your viewing of Boyz N the Hood. The reason it was critically acclaimed was because it had intelligent things to say about WHY the situation of black young men is the way it is. Not because it had black guys calling each other &#8220;nigger&#8221;. Any of a hundred other movies would do for that.</p>
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		<title>By: sc4bb</title>
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		<dc:creator>sc4bb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 19:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whoever is pissed off about black people being zombies, and are just now speaking up about it... obviously hasn&#039;t seen the original Dawn of the Dead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whoever is pissed off about black people being zombies, and are just now speaking up about it&#8230; obviously hasn&#8217;t seen the original Dawn of the Dead.</p>
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